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If the situation doesn't arise, the code continue just fine.
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Nevertheless, it would be desirable IMO if it expanded to a literal,
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Aahz wrote:
> The problem is that they don't understand that "Martin v. L?wis" is not
> Unicode -- once all strings are Unicode, this is guaranteed to work.
This specific call, yes. I don't think the problem will go away as long
as both encode and decode are available
thods on
> strings and Unicode narrow down the possible return types.
> The corresponding .bytes methods should only allow bytes and
> Unicode.
I forgot that: what is the rationale for that restriction?
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platform SDK installed on these machines. I plan to build AMD64
binaries with the platform SDK, not with VS 2005.
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consistent. Either codecs can give arbitrary
return types, then .encode/.decode should also be allowed to
give arbitrary return types, or codecs should be restricted.
What's the point of first allowing a wide interface, and then
narrowing it?
Also, if type inference is the go
at is a major
> change.
Not at all. dict.__getitem__ could always invoke arbitrary user code,
through __hash__.
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egral constants, I don't know;
it appears that MS foresees a i128 suffix for them.
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be also an invariant that, after del d[some_key], d[some_key] will
raise a KeyError. This kind of invariant doesn't take into account
that there might be a default value.
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so yes, please do contribute something.
Bonus points for visually separating the "trunk" columns from
the "2.4" columns. Would a vertical line be appropriate? Bigger
spacing?
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Unfortunately, test_logging still fails sporadically on Solaris.
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It should include all modified items, and none of the unmodified ones.
Explicitly assigning the default value still makes the entry modified;
you need to del it to set it back to "unmodified".
> If the former, then
> how do you access the entries without looping
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> Don't we have a Windows slave yet?
No; nobody volunteered a machine yet (plus the hand-holding that
is always necessary with Windows).
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stack = codecs.getwriter(codec)(stack)
stack.write(string)
stack.reset()
return output.getValue()
Notice that you have to start the stacking with the last codec,
and you have to keep a reference to the StringIO object where
the actual bytes end up.
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ghschool), it will be very hard for them to
relearn. So I expect that it will take a decade or two until this
all is common knowledge.
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e where base64 is *not* necessarily ASCII-encoded,
see the "binary" data type in XML Schema. There, base64 is embedded
into an XML document, and uses the encoding of the entire XML
document. As a result, you may get base64 data in utf16le.
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Can you please elaborate? Between which columns?
> Why is everything bold?
Not sure.
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gets triggered whenever a checkin occurs. So the machine doesn't
have to be *dedicated*; any machine that is always on might do.
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d it would require quite a lot of changes to the
buildbot, so I abstain from wanting such a thing (atleast for the moment).
Your regex-matching (or whatever the mechanism is) works quite well for
me.
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> Martin> ASCII-encoded, see the "binary" data type in XML
> Martin> Schema. There, base64 is embedded into an XML document,
> Martin> and uses the encodin
mpty. Perhaps the author of the change could be placed *below*
> the timestamp instead of next to it? Also for all practical purposes
> we can probably get rid of the seconds in the timestamp.
The latter was easy to do, so I did it. The former is tricky;
contributions are we
y only additional classes for the header or some such);
I can then try to edit buildbot to add these changes into the
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some savings.
For reference, we also have an option to drop complex numbers:
9654 692 4 10350286e Objects/complexobject.o
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architectures? It will only save you a small percentage of disk
space, and at additional hassles.
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nt to build extensions for this build using distutils, you
need to
1. install the platform SDK (2003 SP1 should work)
2. open an AMD64 retail shell
3. run the included distutils
It might be possible to drop 2) some day, but finding the SDK from
the registry is really tricky.
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variables all set up, so that both svn.exe
and devenv.exe can be found in the path. Then I would need the sequence
of commands that the buildbot master should issue (svn update, build,
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-code the 2003 SP1 registry key - it is not at all certain that
future SDK releases will use the same registry scheme, and Microsoft
has tricked users often enough in thinking they understood the
scheme, just to change it with the next release entirely)
rred if dict itself was modified, but after
ruling out changes to dict.__getitem__, d[k]+=1 is too important to
not support it.
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h-pydebug. Combining this with -r would multiply
the number of builders by 4 already.
I'm not keen on deciding this for myself. Somebody else please decide
for me.
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In general, "deprecated" warnings are useless for Python. We *know* we
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I see only a single one of these, and only in an
OSX-specific module. So no - "we" don't look into fixing them, as they
don't occur on Linux at all (as _Qdmodule isn't built on Linux).
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t pages for 2.4 and 2.5, you could add
> pages for debug builds, perhaps with a lower frequency (once a day?),
> without cluttering up the main two pages.
Not soon, unless somebody has a complete recipe how to change the master
config.
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> accept keyword arguments and throw them away. The patch adds error
> messages.
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lines (giving currently 6 lines of Apache configuration).
So for multiplying this by 8, I would have to create 48 lines of
Apache configuration, and use 24 TCP ports. This can be done, but
it would take some time to implement. And who is going to look
at the 24 pages?
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> Who's the person who hands out buildbot username/password pairs?
That's me.
> I
> have an Ubuntu x86 box here that can become one (I think the only
> linux, currently, is Gentoo...)
How different are the Linuxes, though? How many of them do we
Probably after as well. My machine configuration is now not
> substantially different from the loaner XServer.)
Ok, I have now removed your machine from the list of slaves. Thanks for
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> offer still valid?
It is. I usually create the vcproj files by copying an existing one, and
replacing everything that matters in a text editor.
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> sense.
Last I tried, VS 2003 would tolerate \n line endings in vcproj files
(these being plain XML files). I don't remember whether it would
tolerate them in .sln files (as these are *no
om the ast-branch worked better via make. Would this have fixed itself on a
> linux box, or is this a manual process?
It's a manual process.
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Be aware that the set of committers to svn.python.org/projects is
currently restricted to Python committers.
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> BTW: The buildbot reports ctypes test failures on the gentoo amd64 machine:
FWIW, ctypes doesn't even build on a Windows AMD64 machine. It wants to
use the Windows x86 FFI code, which does not compile with the AMD64
compiler.
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>
> /* Forward declaration */
> static PyMethodDef unicodedata_functions[];
This is now fixed.
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es, etc in the path. If that would help, I could
provide you with a Python 2.5 MSI file (for x86), to run distutils, and
get the 2.5 headers.
OTTH, a lot of things don't work on Win64, so people could probably
readily accept the lack of ctypes.
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"leaking refcounts")
> AssertionError: leaking refcounts
>
> test_long_future
> """
>
> Why is that?
Because it is just a single exception. For that, a traceback is printed.
Not so for multiple failures.
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> I do this for ActivePython builds... by setting up the Platform SDK
> compiler I want in the environment and then using:
>
> devenv.com .../pcbuild.sln /useenv /build Release
Right - that might be the easiest thing to do.
Reg
be re-running the test could be done in
> a freshly spawned Python?
Feel free to implement that; buildbot will immediately pick it up.
Getting the command line right might be a challenge though (plus
finding the right Python interpreter, etc.)
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> from the outside.
No: it opens a connection itself, and then keeps that connection
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2.4 should also update to the newer library; on bsddb, I wonder what
version to update to.
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I see. So it is rather that the master doesn't see the slaves go away.
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> configuration). The result is that build_ssl.py fallsback to its
> "well-known" locations for a Perl install.
Go ahead. The above makes a good check-in message.
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>>external packages...
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>
> Yup. That is part of what I meant by updating PCBuild\readme.txt below:
oked up. Grrr. I certainly don't care about the
> sound card for that box but I don't want the test suite to keep
> reporting a spurious failure.
Now, if there was a reliable check whether a soundcard is present, that
check could be run as a prerequisite, then raising TestSkip
y impossible to keep that information
only with trusted people, they need to make a faithful attempt to
restrict it.
If you have contributed to open source projects, you should ask the
maintainers of these projects to copy you the reports they produced.
If these maintainers consider you tr
Trent Mick wrote:
> 1. Use TestSkipped and skip all three test cases if there is not sound
>card. Running the test suite will actually show that something is
>being skipped.
This is best. The sound tests are not that important that they
absolutely need to be run.
Regard
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> difference on your box is the expected _outcome_ in the third
> category.
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Thomas Heller wrote:
> BTW: Is a "porting guide" to make extension modules compatible with 2.5
> available somewhere? PEP 353 scratches only the surface...
Wrt. ssize_t changes, PEP 353 is meant to be comprehensive. Which
particular aspect are you missing?
udes a documentation and an implementation of these decisions,
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evious and the current release. Please contribute a patch that
presents these changes in a form that you would consider acceptable.
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> list of paths to search.
Well, I don't know about site-dep/site-indep, so I wouldn't be surprised
if module search didn't, either.
> If I did want to try to fix this myself, where would I find the code for it?
The code f
interpreter - in an embedded interpreter, they just
don't want to start a new interpreter, as that couldn't work, anyway.
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ot good enough to simply suggest to ignore compiler
> warnings - this falls back on the extension authors and the
> quality of their code without them really having done anything
> wrong.
Sure. Compiler warnings should be corrected. That's why the compiler
emits them. Howev
Thomas Heller wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is what Marc-Andre means, but maybe these definitions
> could go into a new include file:
How would that include file be used? You would have to copy it into your
own source base, and include it, right?
Rega
widespread. It would seem that module search needs
> some modification to fully support it.
Ah. That isn't supported at all, at the moment. Redhat should not be
using it. Instead, there shouldn't be a difference between sitearch and
sitelib.
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Of course, developers of widely-used extension modules will need to
support the PEP in some way. They should follow the guidelines in the
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> Good idea? Dumb idea?
I have no idea about urllib, but httplib certainly should stay,
and its bugs should get fixed (and will get fixed, over time).
It is very easy to write a httplib application, since you can
follow its source code. It would be much more complicated to
u
See
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defined before Python.h
is included, and continue to output int if that macro
isn't defined.
which (IMO, of course), specifies precisely what PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN
does. What information do you find lacking here?
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> when a test run fails, and maybe it's time to start doing that.
I just changed to do that, let's see whether that works.
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only if you implement the sequence or buffer protocols. I'm doubtful
that this is an issue for most applications, since many extensions
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he 0.7.2 changelog); the
sighup command sometimes gets confused. I thought it would survive
the configuration change when no build is ongoing, but apparently
I was wrong.
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>> Buildbot URL: http://www.python.org:9010/
>
> Both links failed with Cannot Find Server (Winxp/IE).
Right. Buildbot doesn't know what its URL is; it is
http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/
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It is possible to look at the changed APIs, see
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> Is there a list of currently supported platforms?
No, only a negative list: PEP 11.
> Is OS2 still actively supported?
It's not listed as unsupported. Whether it actually works, nobody
knows.
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I can believe you that you would have preferred not to see
that patch at all, not at this time, and preferably never.
I have a different view. I don't see it as a problem, but
as a solution.
Again, if you think the documentation should be improved,
t to change; I know that I don't work
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M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Here's a grep of all the changed/new APIs, please include it
> in the PEP.
You want me to include that *literally*? Are you serious?
Please go ahead and commit that change yourself: I consider
it completely unreadable and entirely worthless.
Rega
proc)
likely also indicates an error, since many of these pointers have
changed there types. I believe the only exception for this is inquiry,
which still has legit uses, in nb_nonzero, tp_clear, and tp_is_gc.
Regards,
Martin
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