> I hope this saves someone else a bit of time. :)
Please submit the parts that you consider of general use
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I don't think so. It isn't in the pydotorg repository, and the
files were last touched in 2005.
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the 1.5 merge tracking. IIUC, that would require all committers to
use 1.5 - I'm not sure whether this poses a challenge to any committer.
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are not suitable for automated operation at all, because they bring
up windows, and communicate with their environment by means other than
stdin and stdout (or, if you want to operate them automatically, you
have to use AppleScrip
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On unpickling, support the new code to intern the result strings;
subsequent references to it will go to the standard backreferencing
algorithm.
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I don't know. In particular, it might intern very large strings that
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> expected benefit though, so perhaps just a size test would be better.
Ok. So, Jake, it's back to my original request - please submit this
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the policy. If the policy is *not* acceptable, a lot of changes to
3.0.1 need to be rolled back (e.g. the ongoing removal of __cmp__
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I would fear that than 3.1 gets the same fate as 3.0. In May, we will
all think "what piece of junk was that 3.1 release, let's put it to
history", and replace it with 3.2. By then, users will wonder if there
is ever a 3.x release th
> The IO-in-C branch cannot be reasonably pulled in release30-maint, but it will
> be ready for 3.1.
Even if 3.1 is released in February?
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Don't panic. It doesn't, and you are misinterpreting what you are
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all platforms, just
as it was "ascii" in 2.x, on all platforms. The default encoding isn't
used for I/O; check f.encoding to find out what encoding is used to
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", line 19, in encode
> return codecs.charmap_encode(input,self.errors,encoding_map)[0]
> UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\u0153' in
> position 1: character maps to
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always binary.
- for file names, yet different algorithms apply. On Windows, it
uses the Unicode API, so no need for an encoding. On Unix, it
(again) uses the locale encoding. On OSX, it uses UTF-8
(just to be clear: this applies to the first argume
Paul Moore wrote:
> 2009/1/28 "Martin v. Löwis" :
>>>>>> print(open("a1").read())
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>> File "", line 1, in
>>> File "D:\Apps\Python30\lib\io.py", line 1491, in write
> This a very helpful explanation. Is it in the docs somewhere, or if it
> isn't, could it be?
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> release in 6 months.
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preferably, the build process should suggest the user what might
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up, svn commit - and clearly, you shouldn't do that. If, on commit,
you get a conflict, you should revert all your changes, svn up, and
start all over with the merge.
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, which was an
addition, not a removal.
> I think that the important question is "can the 3.0.x series be made
> 'viable' in less than the time frame for 3.1?" If not, I really have
> to think it's DOA from the point of view of folks who consider 3.0.0
> non-viab
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> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 18:27, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>> There are potential problems with doing it that way [1]. The safer
>>> option is to do:
>>>
>>> svn revert .
>>> svnmerge merge -M -F
>> I still
> svn up
> svnmerge
> ... conflicts
> svn revert -R .
> svn up
> svnmerge
> ... same conflicts
Ah. In the 3.0 branch, always do "svn revert ." after svnmerge.
It's ok (Nick says it isn't exactly ok, but I don't understand why)
Martin
> 1. Barry, who is the release manager for 3.0.1, does not like the idea
> of the cruft that is being proposed removed from 3.0.1.
I don't think he actually said that (in fact, I think he said the
opposite). It would be good if he clarified, though.
Rega
> Just so I'm clear. Are you thinking that 3.0.x will never have
> fast shelves
As Guido said, shelves are *already* fast in 3.0, if you are
using the right operating system.
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> adopt one of them (since they *are* faster than my current approach).
> But until someone pokes a hole in my logic, I'll stick with the
> slower-but-always-correct methodology (and continue advocating that
> approach to everyone else doing updates that affect all fou
p) are fairly
> hard to clean up, so I prefer the safe approach (despite the extra
> minute or two it takes for svnmerge to recalculate the metadata changes).
If I find that it conflicts on commit, I rather restart all over.
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> metadata changes unless svnmerge is told to modify the properties again
> after they have been reverted. Or am I misunderstanding SVN, and the
> revert command doesn't actually revert property changes?
Oops, I meant "svn resolved ." all the time.
> Can you point me at specifics (bug reports or test cases)? I could see
> if I can help in fixing things.
See r69098.
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> How about Friday February 13?
Fine with me (although next Friday (Feb 6) would work slightly better)
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Well, there is also PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN. I asked before 3.0, and was told
that it was too late to remove it.
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> in various places instead of Py_ssize_t.
That's probably still the case.
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> any ideas?
Assuming you reported this right after it happened - sorry, no.
I can't find anything relevant in the log files (although a
precise time of failure would have helped).
Does a plain "ssh python...@svn.python.org" still work?
What path did you try to check into
er.
> Weird. regardless, this is presumably not related to your subversion
> upgrade. I don't think I've done any commits from these hosts since I
> got IPv6 connectivity, only updates.
That alone can't be the problem. I tried to commit something over IPv6,
and i
rnel: IPv6: sending pkt_too_big to self
Jan 31 23:55:36 dinsdale kernel: IPv6: sending pkt_too_big to self
Feb 1 00:02:57 dinsdale kernel: IPv6: sending pkt_too_big to self
Of course, it is five minutes off your connect attempt (IIUC), so
it also might be irrelevan
bility mode); if you think you then need to truncate to 32 bits,
there should be explicit code that tests for truncation and raises a
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> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 9:28 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>
>> tp_reserved sounds fine. In 3.0.1, filling it with a function pointer
>> should give no error, since that would be a binary-incompatible change.
>
> I'm not sure I under
>> Fine with me (although next Friday (Feb 6) would work slightly better)
>
> Feb 6 won't work for me. Would the 20th be better for you Martin?
No, they are both busy days - Feb 13 is then slightly better than Feb
20. I have about an hour in the morning (around 8:00 UTC), and
ymore. So
Campbell's surprise would be gone - he wouldn't have been able to still
invoke tp_compare through the cmp() builtin.
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introducing a "Core" type flag, to be included in the default type
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memory models (66%) have same-sized data and
function pointers, only few of them (33%) have them
differently-sized.
In any case, I don't think Python supports 8086 segmented mode
in any reasonable way today.
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> How are we going to handle str subclasses and unicode?
"Are we going to"? You mean, the current code is not good enough? Why not?
> Should we allow
> all subclasses of basestring? Or just str and unicode? Or str only?
In 2.x, str only, in 3.x, unicode onl
to be seen;
I would expect some opposition if a PEP was written.
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http://docs.python.org/3.2/whatsnew/3.2.html
To download Python 3.2 visit:
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> On 2011-08-23, at 10:55 , Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>>> - “The UTF-8 decoding fast path for ASCII only characters was removed
>>> and replaced with a memcpy if the entire string is ASCII.”
>>> The fast path would still be u
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reasons, unless significant improvements can be demonstrated. Torsten
had a version that used macros for that, and it was a pain to debug.
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OTOH, it's certainly not too late to change it.
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plus one for 3.2 and earlier).
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need nor a means to consider these.
> e) 16-bit codepoints
These are in PEP 393.
> f) UTF-16 with clever indexing/caching to be efficient
Again, -1.
> g) 32-bit codepoints
This is in PEP 393.
> h) UTF-32
What's that, as opposed to g)?
I'm not open to revise PE
returns no error hand
> maxchar=127: memcpy() is used. You mean that memcpy() is too slow? :-)
No: the pure-ASCII case is already optimized with memcpy. It's the
mostly-ASCII case that is not optimized anymore in this PEP 393
implementation (the one with "ASCII runs" instead of &qu
ith all cases defined, 0 a
>>> first item
>>> and contiguous values. We may need an enum.
>>
>> During the Summer of Code, Martin and I did a experiment with GCC and
>> it did not seem to produce a jump table as an optimization for three
>> cases but gener
c. would be free to do things differently
(and I understand that there are plans to do PEP-393 style Unicode
objects in PyPy).
> Martin has long claimed that the fact that I/O is done in terms of
> UTF-16 means that the internal representation is UTF-16, so I could be
> wrong. But when
t;UTF-16 aware" (in some places, but not in
others).
With Python's I/O architecture, it is of course not *actually* the I/O
which considers UTF-16, but the codec.
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e PEP.
- issues to be considered (unclarities, bugs, limitations, ...)
- conditions you would like to pose on the implementation before
acceptance. I'll see which of these can be resolved, and list
the ones that remain open.
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a string had been determined to be in normal form, so that applications
can more reasonably apply normalization to all strings they ever
want to compare.
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process that treats s1 and s2 differently shall not assume that others
will do the same, i.e. that it is ok to treat them the same even though
they have different code points. Treating them differently is also
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would like to pose on the implementation before
>> acceptance. I'll see which of these can be resolved, and list
>> the ones that remain open.
>
> That it doesn't significantly slow down benchmarks such as stringbench
> and iobench.
Can you please quanti
Am 25.08.2011 11:39, schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull:
> "Martin v. Löwis" writes:
>
> > No, that's explicitly *not* what C6 says. Instead, it says that a
> > process that treats s1 and s2 differently shall not assume that others
> > will do the same, i.e. th
ent if there was one. For BMP strings,
they conform fine, and it may well be that Jython eithers either don't
have non-BMP strings, or don't care whether len() or indexing of their
non-BMP strings is "correct".
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as reading a character, or reading the length or the kind), failing to
ready the string should cause a fatal error.
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who you are. I guess the PSF would pay for the review, if that
is what it would take.
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> I'm not sure it's worth doing an extensive review of the code, a better
> approach might be to require extensive test coverage (and a review of
> tests).
I think it's worth. It's really bad if only one developer fully
understands the regex imp
f there is doubt whether they should be added, they shouldn't be added.
If they do get added, we have to live with it (until, say, Python 4,
where bad features can be removed again).
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o realistically, the module should be ported, which has the challenge
that matching needs to operate on three different representations. The
modules already support two representations (unsigned char and
Py_UNICODE), but probably switching on type, not on state.
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>> C libraries.
>
> A nice story, but Quicksort's worst case is O(n*n) too.
In addition, timsort is O(n log n), which also makes it a real good
O(n*n) sort :-)
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ither directly nor
indirectly (through liblzma). The approach of gzip.py (doing IO
and file formats in pure Python) is exactly right.
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until actual code is to review.
Not sure whether you already have this: supporting the tarfile module
would be nice.
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ibrary as a plausible reason.
> It's acceptable for the Python version to use ctypes
Hmm. To me, *that's* unacceptable. In the specific case, having a
pure-Python implementation would be acceptable to me, but I'm skeptical
that anybody is willing to produce one.
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Am 27.08.2011 12:10, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:02:31 +0200
> "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>> I'm not sure it's worth doing an extensive review of the code, a better
>>> approach might be to require extensive test coverage (and a re
use it (now or in the future), just don't."
> And if people do complain, what are python-dev's options?
That will depend on the complaint. If it's "I don't like the new
feature", then the obvious response is "don't use it, then".
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ctypes.
So does it work on Sparc/Solaris? On OpenBSD? On ARM-Linux? Does it
work if the xz library is installed into /opt/sfw/xz?
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> Why -can't- we expect the user to have liblzma headers installed?
> Couldn't it just be a dependency in the package management system?
Please give it up. You just won't convince that list that ctypes
is a viable approach for the standard libr
> I just want to talk about it - for now.
python-ideas is a better place to just talk than python-dev.
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> Also, please add the table (and the reasoning that led to it) to the PEP.
Done!
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at least some of the
> test_bigmem tests, according to your system's available RAM.
Running only StrTest with 4.5G allows me to run 2 tests
(test_encode_raw_unicode_escape and test_encode_utf7); this sees
a slowdown of 37% in Linux user time.
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the UTF-8 decoder because I see an even larger
> slowdown with simpler encodings (e.g. "-E latin1" or "-E utf-16le").
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is a 25% speedup for PEP 393.
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Am 29.08.2011 11:03, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman:
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 21:47, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>> result strings. In PEP 393, a buffer must be scanned for the
>> highest code point, which means that each byte must be inspected
>> twice (a seco
obench uses Latin-1, including non-ASCII, but not
non-Latin-1.
> Or, better, different Unicode ranges in different tests?
That's why I asked for a list of benchmarks to perform. I cannot
run an infinite number of benchmarks prior to adoption of the PEP.
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tion;
this would be possible by rounding up each string size to the next
multiple of 8 (given that it's all allocated through the object
allocator).
It should be possible to squeeze a little bit out of the 190kB,
by finding objects for which the wchar_t or UTF-8 representations
are created u
ous whether your techniques help or hinder a potential
integration of a JIT generator.
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ails to detect pure-ASCII strings.
See below for the actual diff. It should be obvious why the 393 version
is faster: 3.3 currently needs to widen each char (to 16 or 32 bits).
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@@ -5569,41 +5569,8 @@
Py_ssize_t size,
const char *error
.
> (is it with your own port of Django to py3k, or is there an official
> branch for it?)
It's https://bitbucket.org/loewis/django-3k
Regards,
Martin
3.3.0a0 (default:45b63a8a76c9, Aug 30 2011, 09:30:21)
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with
PEP-393, where I do believe that some of the changes that had been
made over the last year become redundant.
Regards,
Martin
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rk out the low-level layout of structs, or
> anything like that (as you often have to do when using ctypes).
I can understand how that works when building a CPython extension.
But what about creating Jython/IronPython modules with Cython?
At what point get the header files considered
was causing this - apparently, somebody was throwing odd queries at it.
Restarting Apache reduced the load. If they continue to do so, I
investigate further.
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Martin
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