> The requested one character change is
> -DEFAULT_REPOSITORY = 'http://pypi.python.org/pypi'
> +DEFAULT_REPOSITORY = 'https://pypi.python.org/pypi'
>
> If Tarek (or perhaps Eric) agree that it is appropriate and otherwise
> innocuous, then Martin a
mimic chown(1). At least GNU chown
has a -R flag (not sure about POSIX chown), and it's useful in practice.
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> (From the release pages.)
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out justification.
>
> Well, I think that's bad. When we give advice to users, we should
> explain the motivation of the advice given. Otherwise we convey the
> impression that there's some magic that people shouldn't try to
> understand.
It's not that bad. Please rec
ockets?
>
> You said yourself that the HOWTO doesn't claim to explain sockets
Did I say that? If so, I didn't mean to. It explains how to use the
socket API.
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Twisted is very difficult to learn, and thus
much heavier than sockets? And I don't blame the Twisted API for that,
but rather the mental model of overlapping activities that people have
severe problems with.
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> > Did you run a user survey?
>
> Martin undoubtedly has a lot of experience with users, and it's quite
> reasonable for him to express his opinions based on that informal
> sample, yes.
In particular, this is collected experience from interaction with
students le
claims when several people have indicated that
the howto *actually* helped them?
Please let this rest.
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;I') # 49
LOGICAL = ASCII('L') # 4C
MEMO= ASCII('M') # 4D
NUMBER = ASCII('N') # 4E
This expresses the intent that a) these are really byte values,
not characters, and b) the specific choice of byte values was motivated
by ASCII.
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People are apparently using it - at least, they report bugs
against it:
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> for which we don't provide binaries.
Hmm. We have VS6, VS7, and VS8 project files, OS/2 makefiles, and
configure.in has specifics for Solaris, even though we don't provide
binaries for any of these. I don
Fedora and RHEL don't use this particular .spec file; we roll our
> own.
>
> I can't speak for all of the other RPM-using distributions, of course.
I doubt any of the distributions uses it, but that's not it's purpose,
either. Instead, it is meant
>> # This should contain all non-.svn files listed in
>> subversion
>
> Should this be mercurial
Perhaps.
>
>> for f in os.listdir(lib.absolute):
>> if f.endswith(".txt") or f==&quo
buildslaves, though, since we don't have
FileUpload build steps (except for a single builder run by David Bolen).
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See also
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Doing so will result in undefined behavior.
So there is nothing fishy about it.
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o look elsewhere.
We are developing a programming language here, not a typesetting
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py> s.write(10)
py> s.write(20)
py> s.getvalue()
'1020'
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ng, but isn't wchar_t also available in VS
2003 (and even in VC6?). And doesn't it have the "right" definition in
all these compilers?
So +1 for setting Py_UNICODE to wchar_t on Windows.
> * Finally, as something from left-field which may well take 12 months or
>
pecially the
> person building releases.
>
> But assuming MSVC was found and had the appropriate switches passed, there
> would be no impact on the ability to use Visual Studio as a debugging
> environment.
I doubt that could work in practice. You will have to rewrite everyt
t; Now the default is that it is, and this causes some semantic differences
> and incompatibilities of the type seen.
C or C++? According to the standards, it ought to be a builtin,
primitive type in C++, and a typedef in C.
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> Martin> only consider the needs of Python itself. If other people can
> Martin> use that infrastructure for other purposes, fine - if they find
> Martin> that it does not meet their
Bill Janssen schrieb:
>> We are developing a programming language here, not a typesetting
>> system.
>
> Good point, Martin. Are you implying that the documentation should be
> kept in LaTeX, a widely-accepted widely-disseminated stable
> documentation language, whic
and C on VC8 both work fine. Please let me know
> if thde code snippet I pasted or the compiler error aren't suitable.
It's fine. I readily believe that it causes problems in C++.
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hat borderline
case of build setup as long as I'm willing to maintain it", the
answer should always be "yes" (*), irrespective of the merits of the
specific proposal. Heck, we would even accept patches to support
HP-UX better :-)
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(*) assuming it doesn't bre
s all the time on Unix.
>> Sure, and have they reported problems with Python on Vista (problems
>> specific to Vista?)
> Certainly. We are working on them, of course.
But, of course, they have not been reported.
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> Python.org site for the official releases but using the PCBuild8 stuff?
No, but it should be possible to adopt Tools/msi to package pcbuild8
instead. Just make sure you are using different GUIDs as the
ProductCode.
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They all create separate checkouts.
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EP 3121, which should allow to incorporate
variables stored in extension module's "globals" to participate
in GC.
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hile they are both shipped, you can't the two versions of
explorer.exe simultaneously (without trickery), so its far from
simple.
>> But that's not a problem, is it? Writing silently "fails", i.e. it just
>> won't save the pyc files. Happens all the t
e others that can provide a Windows buildbot? It would probably
> be good to have two -- and a WinXP one would be good.
It certainly would be good. Unfortunately, Windows users are not that
much engaged in the open source culture, so few of them volunteer
(plus it's more painful, with Windo
> I use this patch in ActivePython to get distutils to find the correct
> PCbuild dir (see attached).
Would you like to commit this to 2.6? (or perhaps 2.5 even?)
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xplicitly disagrees, or that a pronouncement is made -
the pronouncement alone will *not* cause this change to be
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le like to be able to "run" Python out of
a source check-out. This has been supported for a long time,
and more and more stuff was added to support it. For examples
within Python itself, see the support in distutils, getpathp.c,
PCbuild/rt.bat, and Tools/buildbot/*.bat. Reportedly (by
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> Odd... the call worked here (SVN 1.4.3). Which version is the server using?
1.1. Subversion did a grand renaming at some point. I fixed most of the
functions when deploying the script, but apparently missed some.
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you pick up the wrong sqlite3InitCallback (i.e. the one that
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> Martin v. Löwis schrieb:
>>> Odd... the call worked here (SVN 1.4.3). Which version is the server using?
>> 1.1. Subversion did a grand renaming at some point. I fixed most of the
>> functions when deploying the script, but apparently missed some.
> As I said before, you don't really need that when you can (and should!) just
> run
> reindent.py over the source file yourself, not care about any diffs and just
> resubmit.
Right. So I withdraw my offer to do anything about the hook.
hon Software Foundation, or from Martin v. Löwis) is
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Darrin Thompson schrieb:
> On 5/29/07, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> p &sqlite3InitCallback
>>
>
> (gdb) p $sqlite3InitCallback
> $1 = void
Please try '&' instead of '$'. It's the address of that functio
> The buildbot is now working.
Thanks for the effort. If any of the current operators of a Windows
buildbot want to shut down theirs in return, please let me know.
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would fail to sign the file as well if run on Vista, but signed
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re there any patches to fix these?
Without knowing what precisely the problem is, it is difficult
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oved, but that format change has not propagated
into the zipfile module, yet. Howeer, everybody is aware of the
situation, so there is no need to report a bug.
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know that? Did you measure the time? On what system?
What were the results?
Performance optimization without measuring is just unacceptable.
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de filenames in zipfile.ZipInfo, b) automatically convert
> filename to str in zipfile.ZipInfo, c) leave everything as it is.
The correct behavior would be b); the difficult details are what
encoding to use.
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into the zipfile module.
The automatic mode should follow the standard or the conventions;
"the user" (in quotes, because the end user is rarely bothered
with that detail) can still override that explicitly.
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it can just as well be set, as ASCII strings automatically
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(*) I just now read
http://www.pkware.com/documents/casestudies/APPNOTE.TXT
and 0x800 seems to be the right value indeed. Notice, in
appendix D, that the specification says that th
u want to introduce free lists per code object, you
need to benchmark such code, and compare it to the status
quo. While doing so, I'd ask to also measure the case
that the free list is dropped without a replacement.
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> Any thoughts?
My main thought: this posting is off-topic for python-dev.
This list is for the development of Python itself; use
comp.lang.python for discussing development *with* Python.
However, this may still be the wrong place - perhaps
you better ask in a Java forum?
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(encoderow([u'lang', u'espa\xa4ol'])
IOW, you need to encode *before* passing the strings
to the CSV module, not afterwards.
If it is too tedious for you to put in the encoderow
calls all the time, you can write a wrapper for CSV
writers which transparently encodes all Unicode
st
SSH Public keys.
> preferred name : senthil.kumaran
I have now given you write access. Please constrain all checkins
to the sandbox; checkins elsewhere should be approved by your
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chine, it'd be nice to get an additional drive added at the same time.
Just a software upgrade, and I will not be physically at the machine -
the machine is in Amsterdam, and I am in Berlin.
I don't think a hard disk space upgrade is planned, and I don&#x
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mentable in Python 2.x: open() is mapped
to fopen(), which does not support O_NOINHERIT.
If you don't want the subprocess to inherit handles,
why don't you just specify close_fds=True when creating
the subprocess?
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#x27;stopbootlogd-20070303140018-fe340b888f6e9c69', now of kind 'file'
bzr 0.11.0 on python 2.4.4.final.0 (linux2)
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Can somebody experienced with bzr please help?
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> you should first remove file from version control with 'bzr rm' and then
> add again with 'bzr add'.
Thanks! that worked fine.
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> *without* FD_CLOEXEC).
>
> The fact is that the combination ("multi-threading", "subprocess
> creation", "standard modules")
> simply *does not work* flawlessly and produces err
fd also closes stdin/stdout/stderr, which might be undesirable
and differs from POSIX.
In any case, providing a uniform set-close-on-exec looks fine to me,
provided it is implementable on all interesting platforms.
I'm -0 on adding "n" to open, and -1 for adding if it means to
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I don't get your point: The docs says explicitly "Unix only".
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>
> YES - that's exactly why I proposed an open_noinherit function.
I think I missed that proposal. What would that function do?
If you propose it to be similar to the open() function, I'd
be skeptical. It's not possible to implement that in thread
r reasons). If
thread-safety is a primary concern, then that flag should *not*
be added to open(), since it cannot be implemented in a
thread-safe manner in a generic way - only the application can
perform the proper synchronization. As discussed, there are
other handles subject to inheritance, too, an
he discussion
> on http://lwn.net/Articles/237722/ to see how they solve it for
> Linux.
Exactly. My proposal is still to provide an API to toggle the
flag after the handle was created.
> Martin, you mentioned that for sockets, inheritance is not a problem
> unless accept(), recv()
jython to use the same errno symbolic constants as cpython, to
> ease portability of code.
That will be very difficult to achieve, as Python is (deliberately)
not even consistent across systems. Instead, it reports what the
platform reports, so you should do th
> [Martin]
>> That will be very difficult to achieve, as Python is (deliberately)
>> not even consistent across systems. Instead, it reports what the
>> platform reports, so you should do the same in Java.
>
> Do these examples make it clearer why and in what wa
process can run indefinitely even though
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plementation of Python
is *deliberately* slow, and that a new implementation would
necessarily be faster. Please rest assured that this is not
the case: people have put a considerable amount of work into
making Python as fast as it is today.
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my script. It does not start (fork) another process. Instead,
the existing process gets reused. It execs another program, true.
> As mentioned, it's also a very tiny amount of code, and I don't see
> much potential for bad interactions with other things, the way I'v
; for it. I just don't think you're a typical Python programmer in this
> case :)
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> The patch suggests using .pyz and adding a default association to the
> installer (much like .py and .pyw have).
Ok. It would be good if the patch actually added that extension, rather
than merely suggesting that it should be added.
Regards,
> The relevant shebang line to be prepended to a zip file would then look
> something like:
>
> #!/usr/bin/env python -m runpy -p
I might be confusing things, but I think some systems only allow a
single argument in the shebang line.
Reg
I'm tasked with performing a number of merge operations across
various Python branches. Can somebody please share a command
line that I should use to continue with the merge tracking that
has been used? Is that documented somewhere?
Regards,
M
uivalent in Python still. My typical usage
of java goes like this
java -cp the.main.class
The equivalent Python line would be
python -p -m main_module
Regards,
Martin
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o "x64" ("Intel64" means Itanium).
In addition, you can set the Win64 bit on components, and
msilib sets it on all components, AFAIK.
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Martin
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