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How's that?
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> I agree very strongly with your point here. Raising umpteen issues
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> as below the belt when there have been multiple previous releases
or anyone interested although this http://bugs.python.org/issue3871
mingw issue is closed, it points to four other issues. In total there
are around 25 mingw issues open. Maybe some of the work done on them
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should be able to check as per the above that IDLE was able to start alright,
and if not, change or ignore the timeout error.
There’ll probably be some cases (depending on exactly what gets shadowed) that
may be difficult to get to work, but it should be able to handle most things.
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we have a PEP on this please, otherwise there's likely to be a great
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See http://bugs.python.org/issue17611 for my suggested improvements.
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I think I spoke to soon on my earlier reply. If you have control
over the whole system, you could *set* policy on behalf of a whole
platform (like VAX) so you can "safely" use an otherwise non-normal
set of bits to designate divide by zero (a negative sign bit with the
rest all zeros, for example
> We'd have to have one uncommor and two extremely unlikely events all happen
> simultaneously for your example to be of concern:
Understood. But when things run millions of times a second,
"extremely unlikely" things can happen more often that you wanted.
> Two, someone would have to decide to
mon
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binascii.format() perhaps?
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Sometimes you just want to parse text files.
Files don't contain text, they contain bytes. Bytes only become text
when filtered through the correct encoding
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Now you're just splitting hairs, Nick.
An explicit operator, %s, _defined_ to be "encode a string object using
strict ascii",
I don't like this because '%s' reads to m
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On 1/13/2014 12:46 AM, Mark Shannon wrote:
On 13/01/14 03:47, Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 01/12/2014 06:16 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
If you do :
--> b'%s' % 'some text
at these PEP 460 threads are?
Note that I'm *NOT* taking sides here, I'd just like to see a peaceful
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I can't
get that to work. :-(
I believe you wanted this.
>>> a='01234567890123456'
>>> len(a)
17
>>> b = '%15.15s' % a
>>> b;len(b)
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ced in 3.2, but I couldn't find
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http://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#printf-style-string-formatting
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A NULL default would imply the parameter is optional
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1 or 2.
Eric.
For both options 1 and 2 surely you cannot be suggesting that after
people have written 2.x code to use format() as %f formatting is to be
deprecated, they now have to change the code back to the way they may
well have written it in the first place?
On 17/01/2014 15:41, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 01/17/2014 07:15 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
For both options 1 and 2 surely you cannot be suggesting that
after people have written 2.x code to use format() as %f
formatting is to be deprecated
%f formatting is not deprecated, and will not be in 3
could cause problems in the future as b is used in new style
formatting to mean output numbers in binary, so %B seems to me the
obvious choice as it's also unused.
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On 24/01/2014 16:32, Ram Rachum wrote:
Question: Why is there no str.rreplace in Python?
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
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Hmm, on one hand I understand the need for the separation between
python-dev and python-list, but on the other hand I don't think
python-list is a good
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Hmm, on one hand I understand the need for the
xcept an
int. The docs don't say anything about using None, except in the
"equivalent to" section, which is also the only place where it looks as
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all those I've looked at from Serhiy do indeed look careful.)
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I agree, modern compilers will inline quite aggressively, so declaring a
function static
is as good as declaring it inline, provided the function is small.
Static functions are a lot easier to read and mai
Will this impact on the decision http://bugs.python.org/issue20846 ?
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How about fixing cyclic gc to deal with __del__ instead? That sounds
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Consider two objects that hash to 2**33+1 and 2**34+1 respectively.
On a 32 bit machine their truncated hashes are both 1, so they must be
distinguished
by an equality test. On a 64 bit machine their hashes are distinct and no
equality
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Antoine.
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Except those who expect Python 2.8?
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Python 2.7.5, NumPy 1.6.2, Matplotlib 1.1.1 and Twisted 12.2.0. For at
least Matplotlib and NumPy, those versions are pretty old (mid 2012), and
I'd be wary of updating them on the *system* Python: I have no idea what I
might or might not break
iour-wise.
This looks like a doc build issue: when I build the documentation locally
for the default branch, I still see the expected "Return value: New
reference." lines. Maybe something went wrong with refcounts.dat or the
Sphinx refcounting extension when building the
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mark Dickinson wrote:
> This looks like a doc build issue: when I build the documentation locally
> for the default branch, I still see the expected "Return value: New
> reference." lines.
>
Opened http://bugs.python.org/issue21286 for
I think he meant modifying the source files themselves for debugging
purposes (e.g. putting print statements in itertools.py).
2014-04-17 14:09 GMT-04:00 Brett Cannon :
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>
> On Thu Apr 17 2014 at 1:34:23 PM, Jurko Gospodnetić <
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What I'd really like to see is a Python 2.8 that makes sufficient
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On 04/06/2014 16:52, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 04/06/2014 16:32, Steve Dower wrote:
If copying into a separate list is a problem (memory-wise),
re.finditer('\\S+', string) also provides the same behaviour and gives
me the sliced string, so there's no need to index for anything.
On 06/06/2014 09:53, Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
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On 04/06/2014 16:32, Steve Dower wrote:
If copying into a separate list is a problem (memory-wise),
re.finditer('\\S+', string) also provides the same behaviour and
gives me the sliced string, so
possible to use hex digits, such that
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That's fantastic! Great job - that's a lot of work :)
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> On Jun 20, 2014, at 13:32, Philip Jenvey wrote:
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> =
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> =
>
> We're pleased to announce the first stable release of Py
f teaching := in addition to those.
That's with my Python-teaching hat on. With my Python-developer hat on, my
thoughts are slightly different, but that's off-topic for this thread, and
I don't think I have anything to say that hasn't already been said many
times by others, so
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On 2018-07-07 15:38, Mark Shannon wrote:
Hi,
We seem to have a plethora of PEPs where we really ought to have one (or
none?).
- PEP 575 has been withdrawn.
- PEP 579 is an informational PEP with the bigger picture; it does
contain some of the
Hi,
Can I request a review of https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/6641.
It has been open for a few months now.
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I was hoping to profile a branch with the various experimental changes
cherry-picked together, but don't seemed to have found the time :(
I'd like to have a testable branch, before formally submitting the PEP,
but I'd thought you should be aware of the PEP.
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Hi Petr,
Regarding PEPs 576 and 580.
Over the new year, I did a thorough analysis of possible approaches to
possible calling conventions for use in the CPython ecosystems and came
up
% reduction in time for creating ranges, or
lists from small tuples.
https://gist.github.com/markshannon/5cef3a74369391f6ef937d52cca9bfc8
Cheers,
Mark.
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Hi,
On 02/04/2019 1:49 pm, Petr Viktorin wrote:
On 3/30/19 11:36 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
On 2019-03-30 17:30, Mark Shannon wrote:
2. The claim that PEP 580 allows "certain optimizations because other
code can make assumptions" is flawed. In general, the caller cannot make
assumpt
you prefer that it has a different name to prevent confusion with
over PY_VECTORCALL_ARGUMENTS_OFFSET?
I don't like calling things "fast" or "new" as the names can easily
become misleading.
New College, Oxford is over 600 years old. Not so "new" any more :)
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