Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-11-06 Thread R. David Murray
n" and "closed" > deltas is already quite an achievement and shows that our triage works. Agreed. We did have negative open deltas for several weeks running in October. Kudos to everyone involved, and lets do it some more :) I&

Re: [Python-Dev] bugs.python.org not responding (Was: rlcompleter -- auto-complete dictionary keys (+ tests))

2010-11-07 Thread R. David Murray
resolved soon. FYI bugs.python.org and www.python.org are different machines, and in fact the two machines are not even hosted at the same location. Valery, I would advise you to submit the patch to bugs.python.org when it comes back up. Patches posted to this mailing list will in general

Re: [Python-Dev] Backward incompatible API changes in the pydoc module

2010-11-08 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:02:24 +0100, wrote: > If there is no enormous difficulty in maintaining compatibility, I think > the usual deprecation process should be followed. We don’t know who is > using pydoc as a library, so let’s play safe and not risk breaking their > code (especially consider

Re: [Python-Dev] Breaking undocumented API

2010-11-08 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:10:17 -0600, Ron Adam wrote: > def _private_api(): > # > # Isn't it a good practice to use comments here? > # > ... IMO, no. -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com __

Re: [Python-Dev] Breaking undocumented API

2010-11-10 Thread R. David Murray
ode to deal with. I think Tres was referring to certain packages (which shall remain nameless since I don't feel like googling to find one) whose documentation recommends the 'from import *' methodology. At least that's how I read "Module writers who..." (that is,

[Python-Dev] unexpected traceback/stack behavior with chained exceptions (issue 1553375)

2010-11-13 Thread R. David Murray
s.python.org/issue1553375 -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/

Re: [Python-Dev] python3k vs _ast

2010-11-17 Thread R. David Murray
r this list. The question was "why did you developers drop this (obscure) feature that we depend on in Python3?" I don't think that question would make sense on python-list. Granted, there's a fuzzy line there, but pylint is really development infrastructure :) The pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Web servers, bytes, str, documentation, Python 3.2a4

2010-11-21 Thread R. David Murray
processing of non-RFC conformant data. I want to look at the CGI issue, but I'm not sure when I'll get to it. -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://

Re: [Python-Dev] len(chr(i)) = 2?

2010-11-21 Thread R. David Murray
ng written the above, I googled for UCS-2 and got the Wikipedia article on UTF16/UCS-2 [1]. Scanning that article, I do not see anything that would clue me in to the problems of slicing strings in a Python narrow build. Indeed, reading that article with my limited unicode knowledge, if I were told P

Re: [Python-Dev] len(chr(i)) = 2?

2010-11-21 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:17:57 -0800, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:38 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. As a relative unicode ignoramus, > > "UCS-2" and "UCS-4" convey almost no information to me, and the

Re: [Python-Dev] Web servers, bytes, str, documentation, Python 3.2a4

2010-11-21 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:59:54 -0800, Glenn Linderman wrote: > On 11/21/2010 9:18 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > > I want to look at the CGI issue, but I'm not sure when I'll get to it. > > Actually, since this code was working before 3.x, and if email.parser > can n

Re: [Python-Dev] len(chr(i)) = 2?

2010-11-22 Thread R. David Murray
`, the faq/extending.rst: ... print('UCS4 build') faq/extending.rst: ... print('UCS2 build') -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://m

Re: [Python-Dev] len(chr(i)) = 2?

2010-11-22 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:37:59 -0500, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:30 PM, R. David Murray > wrote: > .. > > For reference, a grep in py3k/Doc reveals that there are currently exactly > > 23 lines mentioning UCS2 or UCS4 in the docs. > > Did

Re: [Python-Dev] transform() and untransform() methods, and the codec registry

2010-12-03 Thread R. David Murray
efer Python because it uses smaller and more namespaces > which are more specific and well defined. If we add email and compression > functions to bytes, why not adding a web browser to the str? As MAL says, the codec machinery is a general purpose too

Re: [Python-Dev] transform() and untransform() methods, and the codec registry

2010-12-03 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:14:56 -0500, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:11 AM, R. David Murray > wrote: > .. > > Please also recall that transform/untransform was discussed before > > the release of Python 3.0 and was approved at the time, but it

Re: [Python-Dev] Repo frozen for 3.2

2010-12-06 Thread R. David Murray
I understand all four of these to be "versions of xxx that won't raise". I think that's a reasonable use of the word 'safe', but perhaps there is something better. SafeConfigParser doesn't follow that pattern, of course, though it is perhaps true that it would raise er

Re: [Python-Dev] API for the new sysconfig module

2010-12-10 Thread R. David Murray
7;t at the moment), it seems to make sense from an implementation standpoint as well. Like Éric, I'm not sure what the implications of the existing module having been released in 2.7 and 3.2 beta are in terms of making such an API change. -- R. David Murray

Re: [Python-Dev] A grammatical oddity: trailing commas in argument lists -- continuation

2010-12-13 Thread R. David Murray
re lots more out there[*]. I do especially like the fact that there is one in the stdlib :) It seems like the status quo is fine. I wouldn't object to it being made more consistent. I would object to removing the existing cases. -- R. David Murray www.bit

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87310 - in python/branches/release27-maint: Doc/library/compileall.rst Lib/compileall.py

2010-12-16 Thread R. David Murray
un directly. In 3.2, this means it will never show up normally, since you can't even run the .pyc file without moving it out of __pycache__. Which means 'ddir' is henceforth useful only to those people who want to package sourceless distributions of the python code. (If

Re: [Python-Dev] Locale-specific formatting

2010-12-17 Thread R. David Murray
'12,345' > ... > >>> "UK says {value:,@uk} and France says > {value:,@france}".format(value=12345, uk=uk_loc, france=france_loc) > 'UK says 1,234.5 and France says 1 234,5' > > Comments? There was at least one long thread on this on py

Re: [Python-Dev] r87389 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/unittest.rst Lib/unittest/case.py Misc/NEWS

2010-12-18 Thread R. David Murray
s "actual, expected"... And yet "expected, > actual" still looks weird to me. :-( You aren't unique, I feel the same way. But it seems to me that the most important thing is to be consistent, so that I don't freak out for long. -- R. David Murray

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #8863 adds a new PYTHONNOFAULTHANDLER?environment variable

2010-12-20 Thread R. David Murray
t; let developers act more quickly on bug reports. I wonder if this output > really speeds up the process. > > Do you have an example bug where this patch helps in finding the precise > location of a segfault? How is 'line 29 in g' not more precise

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87504 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/c-api/exceptions.rst Include/pyerrors.h Include/warnings.h

2010-12-27 Thread R. David Murray
essage. *format* is > + an ASCII-encoded string. So, the former, I'd guess :) -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/lis

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87505 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/c-api/unicode.rst Include/unicodeobject.h

2010-12-27 Thread R. David Murray
with the 8th bit set, leaving no room for interpretation. So presumably you mean it is (treated as) an ISO-8859-1 encoded string, despite the function name? -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87504 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/c-api/exceptions.rst Include/pyerrors.h Include/warnings.h

2010-12-28 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:58:24 +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > Le mardi 28 décembre 2010 à 11:40 +0100, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit : > > Am 28.12.2010 11:28, schrieb Victor Stinner: > > > Le lundi 27 décembre 2010 à 23:07 -0500, R. David Murray a écrit : > &g

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87505 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/c-api/unicode.rst Include/unicodeobject.h

2010-12-28 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:28:51 +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > Le lundi 27 décembre 2010 à 23:13 -0500, R. David Murray a écrit : > > > Modified: python/branches/py3k/Doc/c-api/unicode.rst > > > ==

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87537 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/struct.rst Doc/whatsnew/3.2.rst Lib/test/test_struct.py Lib/wave.py Misc/NEWS Modules/_struct.c

2010-12-28 Thread R. David Murray
gt; >> I believe you mean >> "struct.pack no longer implicitly encodes unicode to UTF-8", >> which will be clearer to most people. > >Yes, done in r87559 You still have two words swapped. You changed it to no longer encodes implicitly unicode but it

Re: [Python-Dev] Backport troubles with mercurial

2010-12-29 Thread R. David Murray
g to be maintaining 2.7 for a while, this is a workflow problem that we *must* solve to make the hg transition worthwhile. I have no doubt that we will, but I also have no doubt we need to *solve* it, not just wave our hands. Many thanks to Georg and Djirkan for

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue #10348: concurrent.futures doesn't work on BSD

2010-12-29 Thread R. David Murray
all supports. In other words, a user of concurrent.futures really needs to tweak their FreeBSD install to make in fully functional. There should be a way (through sysctl, presumably) to query the maximum number of semaphores and skip the relevant tests on that basis. -- R. David Murray

Re: [Python-Dev] Backport troubles with mercurial

2010-12-29 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:42:48 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > R. David Murray writes: > > > We merge bug fixes to 2.7 on a routine basis. It is the rule rather > > than the exception, by a long shot. > > For bugfixes, of course it's routine. I un

Re: [Python-Dev] Backport troubles with mercurial

2010-12-30 Thread R. David Murray
hat it > > is a SMOP is a concern :) > > Sure, but in this crowd, I wouldn't waste a good worry on this > particular SMOP. Talent is one thing, available time, as you pointed out about yourself, is a different matter. I'm confident we can make this all work. The only qu

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87603 - python/branches/py3k/Misc/NEWS

2011-01-02 Thread R. David Murray
sue numbers). Whoops, two of those are mine. I am still > learning and will try to remember to include it in both log messages and > NEWS entries. Heh. I think two of them were mine, and I'm supposed to know better by now. -- R. David Murray www.b

Re: [Python-Dev] Hello everyone

2011-01-05 Thread R. David Murray
you are still relatively new to Python coding it may take longer to do the necessary research to be able to write the patch). If you like you can also come hang out on the #python-dev IRC channel on freenode, where a number of the core developers and other folks hang out and discuss issues (am

Re: [Python-Dev] Checking input range in time.asctime and time.ctime

2011-01-06 Thread R. David Murray
en out-of-range values were passed to the CRT that other platforms accepted. -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsub

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 rc 1

2011-01-17 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:33:42 +, Mark Summerfield wrote: > from ..Graphics import Xpm > SVG = 1 > > I can do the relative import with Python 3.0 and 3.1 but not with > 3.2rc1: What about 3.1.3? I wonder if it is related to this issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue79

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a doc outlining how to add something to the stdlib.

2011-01-17 Thread R. David Murray
new contributor isn't in general going to know when a small change is controversial without asking *somewhere*, be it a mailing list or the tracker. Searching the tracker to make sure it hasn't already been proposed and rejected is, of course, a good id

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration status (Was: MSI: Remove dependency from win32com.client module (issue4080047))

2011-02-01 Thread R. David Murray
g and fix that script. Martin hasn't had time to do it, and I haven't had time to learn enough about rietveld to try. Getting set up to test tracker patches is distinctly non-trivial, which is probably why very few people work on it. -- R. Davi

Re: [Python-Dev] Python merge module

2011-02-02 Thread R. David Murray
are not web developers) avoid XML whenever possible, and when we do have to deal with it we tend to abstract it behind easier to work with Python code. The obvious exception to that would be web templating languages, but I personally prefer to avoid those, as well

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Unit Tests

2011-02-07 Thread R. David Murray
s and recompile. I imagine at least some of this is already covered in the dev guide (I haven't made time to review it yet). If any of it is unclear to you, please provide feedback so we can improve the guide (which is new). -- R. David Murray www.

Re: [Python-Dev] Rights on the tracker

2011-02-14 Thread R. David Murray
ils2 component is newly added. (Antoine: FYI, the place this is edited is http://bugs.python.org/component, and I don't know anything more than what is explained on that scree :). -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: deep question re dict as formatting input

2011-02-23 Thread R. David Murray
y using "If every character is a digit, then it is treated as an > integer, otherwise it is used as a string". Perhaps you are thinking of http://bugs.python.org/issue7951. Not directly on point, but related. -- R. David Murray

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial conversion repositories

2011-02-26 Thread R. David Murray
ory instances intact). With bazaar I got in trouble trying to do that, because the interrelationship between the working copy directories (and their subsets of the repo?) and the master repo(?) was not clear. I never did figure out how to make it work, I ended up st

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:26:05 -0500, Eric Smith wrote: > On 3/1/2011 4:19 PM, Kerrick Staley wrote: > > Hello, > > There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at > > /usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or for the > > documentation to recommend that packagers ensu

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-02 Thread R. David Murray
ycle management, but I don't think there is any *fix* other than more people. So, doing followup after sprints/bug days to help keep contributor enthusiasm going and get some of them converted into committers is perhaps the best "fix"

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-02 Thread R. David Murray
other choice, it should provide a /usr/bin/python2 symlink. Otherwise, it is going to be getting bug reports from users asking why XYZ script doesn't run. In short, I don't see any *downside* to providing a /usr/bin/python2 symlink. -- R. David Murray

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-04 Thread R. David Murray
t about this issue before, it is probably worth mentioning sys.executable somewhere (a footnote?). But another issue here (and this speaks against the proposal of not shipping a /usr/bin/python link) is that it is quite possible to write a script that will run on either python2 or python3.

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-04 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:03:08 -0800, Westley =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= wrote: > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 00:54 -0800, Aaron DeVore wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Kerrick Staley > > wrote: > > > That way, if the sysadmin does decide to replace the installed "python" > > > file, he ca

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-04 Thread R. David Murray
s on it won't run on a vanilla user-install of 2.7.1 or 2.7. But how likely is that scenario compared to the scenario where a script written for another distro fails to run because /usr/bin/python2 doesn't exist? I think the balance of the

Re: [Python-Dev] .hgignore (was: Mercurial conversion repositories)

2011-03-05 Thread R. David Murray
est way to find them (if they aren't ignored). Or if there's some way to configure my personal .hgrc to ignore those particular ignore lines, that would be fine too :) -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___

Re: [Python-Dev] .hgignore (was: Mercurial conversion repositories)

2011-03-05 Thread R. David Murray
do a rebuild after...and all of that just takes too long :) I guess I have some hg hacking in my future, unless someone has already written extensions for this stuff. -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev ma

Re: [Python-Dev] small commit emails nit

2011-03-06 Thread R. David Murray
olor sit amet > [python-checkins] devguide: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet > [python-checkins] devguide (hg_migration): Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet > > What we have isn't bad, but I agree with Benjamin that it could be better. I don't feel strongly about it either way. -- R. David Mu

[Python-Dev] another message to release

2011-03-12 Thread R. David Murray
I believe the tracker sent an error message to python-dev as a result of a failed hook execution. If someone with the power would release that message so we can see what the error was, I'd appreciate it :) --David ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@

Re: [Python-Dev] pydoc for named tuples is missing methods

2011-03-14 Thread R. David Murray
hersome, and a double underscore name stands out very > clearly as being part of the infrastructure rather than > something user-defined. But directly calling a __xxx__ method in Python is a very unusual thing to do. It would be extremely odd to have that be the expected way to call a

Re: [Python-Dev] Module version variable

2011-03-16 Thread R. David Murray
or may not be true of unittest, but if it hasn't been maintained its present utility is questionable so it may be just as well to delete it. -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@

Re: [Python-Dev] Generating patch files

2011-03-16 Thread R. David Murray
long as we aren't distributing mercurial itself, I don't see how a script could be a problem. But, then, IANAL. -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://ma

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-16 Thread R. David Murray
branch. You are even less likely to hit a push race by following that technique, since the time between the pull -u and the push is minimized. -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@py

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-16 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 05:11:23 +0100, Jesus Cea wrote: > On 17/03/11 04:41, R. David Murray wrote: > > Dealing with a null merge when someone else has committed between the > > time I started the merge dance (I always pull just before I start that) > > and the time I push is

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-17 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:26:13 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 17.03.2011 06:14, schrieb R. David Murray: > > The fun part comes if there are changesets. At this point there > > are two options: go through each of the branches doing an up/merge/ci, > > and then pull/push. O

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-17 Thread R. David Murray
could indeed be a better way to go for this particular scenario. I'll have to check that out. -- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-17 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:35:50 +0100, Jesus Cea wrote: > On 17/03/11 06:14, R. David Murray wrote: > > Clearly, this procedure is not for everyone > > Clearly not :). > > So you do a "hg strip" and start over again. > > The problem with this is that you

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-17 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:00 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:24:26 -0400 > "R. David Murray" wrote: > > > > It would be great if rebase did work with share, that would make a > > push race basically a non-issue for me. > > reba

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-17 Thread R. David Murray
e above sense to worry about. When I start working on a feature branch I will be working in a separate clone and will not rebase. But I will probably produce a collapsed patch when I'm ready to apply to mainline, so the concern with rewriting

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-17 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:00:50 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:50:24 -0400 > "R. David Murray" wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:00 +0100, Antoine Pitrou > > wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:24:26 -0400 > > > "R.

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-18 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:00:29 +0100, Jesus Cea wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 17/03/11 14:45, R. David Murray wrote: > > Not if the cpython repo is in a fully merged stated. And if it > > isn't, I will wait until it is. (The update

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.2): Issue 7391: Remove questionable and outdated HOWTO document with permission

2011-03-19 Thread R. David Murray
hrough the whole thingan issue was submitted for a particular section and I updated that section and the other one talking about the same topic (sorry I don't remember which one off the top of my head)). -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com __

Re: [Python-Dev] I am now lost - committed, pulled, merged, what is "collapse"?

2011-03-19 Thread R. David Murray
generated one last time for its upcoming last bugfix release. It's easy enough (now that we no longer have to deal with svnmerge) that I've been doing that, myself. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mail

Re: [Python-Dev] I am now lost - committed, pulled, merged, what is "collapse"?

2011-03-19 Thread R. David Murray
hange. > > Anyway, I thought I was supposed to pull from head to 3.2 and 2.7. What is > "dev"? That's "doc speak", I guess. http://docs.python.org/dev/library, for example, points to the library reference for the docs on the default branch. -- R. David Murray

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-19 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:00 +0100, wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:24:26 -0400 > "R. David Murray" wrote: > > > > It would be great if rebase did work with share, that would make a > > push race basically a non-issue for me. > > rebase as well as str

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-20 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:17:25 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le dimanche 20 mars 2011 à 00:06 -0400, R. David Murray a écrit : > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:33:00 +0100, wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:24:26 -0400 > > > "R. David Murray" wrote: > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-20 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:06:01 -0400, "R. David Murray" wrote: > It would have been nice if rebase had refused to run given that > there were merges, since it clearly doesn't work in that case. To clarify, that should have read "given that there were merges *between br

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] Would someone please help me merge these changes to other branches?

2011-03-20 Thread R. David Murray
ges (except for the RFC 4180 one) and made them on 3.1, 3.2, and harmonized default. So this should all be good now, except for the RFC change. I guess I'll see about doing that one later. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-20 Thread R. David Murray
o you're working with. And, as I discovered, only if they are on a single branch. Which is something *none* of the documentation I've read has mentioned. Perhaps that's because named branches are relatively new? -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com

Re: [Python-Dev] I am now lost - committed, pulled, merged, what is "collapse"?

2011-03-20 Thread R. David Murray
before starting my merge dance and am unlikely to *re*run the regrtest after having to do an hg pull/merge heads, exactly the same size hole is going to exist in my hg workflow. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing l

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP and reference implementation of a Python launcher for Windows

2011-03-20 Thread R. David Murray
latform-independence. UNIX won't > understand that, and I don't think we're gonna be able to convince all > the kernel developers to implement this simplified shebang. +1. If one of the points is to be compatible with PEP 394, then the above seems like a bad

Re: [Python-Dev] I am now lost - committed, pulled, merged, what is "collapse"?

2011-03-21 Thread R. David Murray
ad the same need to merge to tip as with hg, and the same lack of enforcing of the running of tests. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] I am now lost - committed, pulled, merged, what is "collapse"?

2011-03-21 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:33:00 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > R. David Murray writes: > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:07:46 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" > wrote: > > > No, at best the DVCS workflow forces the developer on a branch to > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] I am now lost - committed, pulled, merged, what is "collapse"?

2011-03-21 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:59:51 +0100, Adrian Buehlmann wrote: > On 2011-03-21 14:40, R. David Murray wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:33:00 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" > > wrote: > >> R. David Murray writes: > >> > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:0

Re: [Python-Dev] Useful "hg log" trick to only see revisions in the current branch

2011-03-22 Thread R. David Murray
hell does, while my bash shell doesn't: because I don't use bash, I installed mercurial without bash-completion. So: there is completion support for hg update for both bash and zsh. Not sure about other shells. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com

Re: [Python-Dev] crosses branches?

2011-03-22 Thread R. David Murray
7;t really know (probably a null merge, but you'll have to figure out the state of your repo first...or you could start over with a fresh clone). -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] I am now lost - committed, pulled, merged, what is "collapse"?

2011-03-22 Thread R. David Murray
to some > sort of serialization scheme? Note that svnmerge broke at exactly the same scale point, for exactly the same reason: every svnmerge touched root properties, thereby effectively serializing access to the tree. There were lots of curses from people trying to svnmerge at th

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-22 Thread R. David Murray
made changes, whereas that safety-belt svn up before the svn ci doesn't. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http:/

Re: [Python-Dev] Embedded Python startup is slow

2011-03-24 Thread R. David Murray
from one or more people with interest in this area, maybe we can get some people with relevant knowledge onto the development team. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.or

Re: [Python-Dev] CRLF line endings

2011-03-25 Thread R. David Murray
orrect solution, otherwise you'll just run in to the trouble when you try to merge the branch into default. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Python-Dev] utf-8 encoding in checkins?

2011-03-27 Thread R. David Murray
operly, but they are isolated cases and don't bother me much (mostly a couple older tools that just don't have good non-ascii support). > Mind you, I've never managed to get the <-- button working reliably > either, but to be fair that's insanely complicated too. No idea

Re: [Python-Dev] utf-8 encoding in checkins?

2011-03-27 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:46:35 +0100, Jon Ribbens wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 02:21:25PM -0400, R. David Murray wrote: > > > Mind you, I've never managed to get the <-- button working reliably > > > either, but to be fair that's insanely complicated

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue Tracker

2011-03-28 Thread R. David Murray
part is debugging the TAL when you make a mistake, but even that isn't a whole lot worse than any other templating language. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] .hgignore including site-packages and scripts directories?

2011-03-29 Thread R. David Murray
les to your personal ignore list See the 'ignore' entry under 'ui' in the hgrc documentation. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Python-Dev] .hgignore including site-packages and scripts directories?

2011-03-29 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:17:05 +1100, Mark Hammond wrote: > On 30/03/2011 12:09 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > > The solution is to add such > > directories and/or files to your personal ignore list See the 'ignore' > > entry under 'ui' in the hgrc document

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-30 Thread R. David Murray
> elegant solution. Flicker or not, I don't like it myself. I've turned off javascript on bugs.python.org in my browser, and now it doesn't bother me anymore. But I don't think that is a good long term solution. Making it optional based on a setting in the user profile might

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-03-31 Thread R. David Murray
indeed redundant, but the sidebar is not really usable here. I agree with this point. The sidebar list of questions is effectively useless. Most FAQ lists start with the long list of questions. I don't see why this one should be different :) -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-03-31 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:59:36 +0200, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?= wrote: > Notice that the issue title was always there, in your browser's title > bar (unless you have a web browser that doesn't display the page title). I do. -- R. David Murray http://

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-03-31 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:29:29 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM, R. David Murray wro= > te: > > I agree with this point. =A0The sidebar list of questions is effectively > > useless. > > Indeed. If it's simple, I'd actually be inc

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-04-01 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:47:12 +0200, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 01.04.2011 01:12, schrieb R. David Murray: > > On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:29:29 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM, R. David Murray > >> wro= > >> te: > >> >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 399: Pure Python/C Accelerator Module Compatibiilty Requirements

2011-04-06 Thread R. David Murray
e can argue about the semantics when we discuss individual tests :) 100% branch coverage as measured by coverage.py is one good place to start for building such a comprehensive test suite. Existing tests for C versions getting (or newly testing) Python code is another. Bug reports from alternate

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug? Can't rebind local variables after calling pdb.set_trace()

2011-04-12 Thread R. David Murray
rs. It never occurred to me to change the variable and type c > without first checking that the variable had changed... :-) > > It is however fixed in 2.7. For the curious: http://bugs.python.org/issue5215 -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com _

Re: [Python-Dev] peps: Update PEP 399 to include comments from python-dev.

2011-04-13 Thread R. David Murray
#x27;t reread the PEP to check.) The idea is to use the test suite as the check for this, adding tests as necessary. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Pass possibly imcompatible options to distutil's ccompiler

2011-04-13 Thread R. David Murray
27;t that distutils2 would help the OP, but that the OP could help Distutils2 and the community by taking his use case to the developers and making sure that that use case is supported before the release of packaging in 3.3. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com

Re: [Python-Dev] python and super

2011-04-14 Thread R. David Murray
l super() is almost certainly deliberate. Why not? It seems more useful than using it for chaining, especially given the compiler hack in Python3. -- R. David Murray http://www.bitdance.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 399: Pure Python/C Accelerator Module Compatibiilty Requirements

2011-04-16 Thread R. David Murray
> IronPython, > and Jython to succeed, does the CPython project need to come to a halt? I > don't > think many people here really believe that to be the case. No, I don't think any of these things are aims. But if/once the Python stdlib is a separate repo, then in *that*

Re: [Python-Dev] Releases for recent security vulnerability

2011-04-17 Thread R. David Murray
a mailing list for security related announcements on which only the "security officer" or "security team" posts announcements, and security related announcements *only*. Then then the people responsible for security in any context (a distribution, a

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