Re: [Python-Dev] Status on PEP-431 Timezones

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:37:47 +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 3:59 PM, R. David Murray > wrote: > > I don't remember what that does to the time, and I have > > no intuition about it (I just want it to do the naive arithmetic!) > > But what is

Re: [Python-Dev] Status on PEP-431 Timezones

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:26:44 +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Tim Peters wrote: > >> I have yet to see a use case for that. > > > > Of course you have. When you address them, you usually dismiss them > > as "calendar operations" (IIRC). > > Those are not usecase

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues not responded to.

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 21:47:23 +0530, Rustom Mody wrote: > [Yeah I am a lurker on the mentors list but I dont see much *technical* > discussion happening there] Yes, it's a mentoring list for how to contribute, not for technical issues, though we happily get in to technical issues when they arise.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP needed for http://bugs.python.org/issue9232 ?

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:09:34 +1200, Robert Collins wrote: > So, there's a patch on issue 9232 - allow trailing commas in function > definitions - but there's been enough debate that I suspect we need a > PEP. > > Would love it if someone could correct me, but I'd like to be able to > either cat

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP needed for http://bugs.python.org/issue9232 ?

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 08:31:57 -0700, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal wrote: > Looking back at the previous discussion, it looked like it's all been > said, and there was almost unanimous approval (with some key mild > disapproval) for the idea, so what we need now is a pronouncement. And we got it, s

Re: [Python-Dev] trailing commas on statements

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 01:03:38 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:46 AM, R. David Murray > wrote: > > (If you wanted to fix an 'oops' trailing comma syntax issue, I'd vote for > > disallowing trailing commas outside of (). The number o

Re: [Python-Dev] About closures creates in exec

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:05:50 +0200, Andrea Griffini wrote: > Is it intended that closures created in exec statement/function cannot see > locals if the exec was provided a locals dictionary? > > This code gives an error ("foo" is not found during lambda execution): > > exec("def foo(x): retu

Re: [Python-Dev] How are we merging forward from the Bitbucket 3.5 repo?

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 00:13:10 -0700, Larry Hastings wrote: > > > So far I've accepted two pull requests into > bitbucket.com/larry/cpython350 in the 3.5 branch, what will become > 3.5.0rc2. As usual, it's the contributor's responsibility to merge > forward; if their checkin goes in to 3.5, it

Re: [Python-Dev] How are we managing 3.5 NEWS?

The 3.5.0 patch flow question also brings up the question of how we are managing NEWS for 3.5.0 vs 3.5.1. We have some commits that are going in to both 3.5.0a2 and 3.5.1, and some that are only going in to 3.5.1. Currently the 3.5.1 NEWS says things are going in to 3.5.0a2, but that's obviously

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] How are we merging forward from the Bitbucket 3.5 repo?

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 11:24:32 -0400, "R. David Murray" wrote: > On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 00:13:10 -0700, Larry Hastings wrote: > > 3. After your push request is merged, you pull from > > bitbucket.com/larry/cpython350 into hg.python.org/cpython and merge > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Burning down the backlog.

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:47:22 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Robert Collins writes: > > > However - 9 isn't a bad number for 'patches that the triagers think > > are ready to commit' inventory. > > > > So yay!. Also - triagers, thank you for feeding patches through the > > process. Please keep it up

Re: [Python-Dev] django_v2 benchmark compatibility fix for Python 3.6

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 13:11:37 -, "Papa, Florin" wrote: > My name is Florin Papa and I work in the Server Languages Optimizations Team > at Intel Corporation. > > I would like to submit a patch that solves compatibility issues of the > django_v2 benchmark in the Grand Unified Python Benchmar

Re: [Python-Dev] django_v2 benchmark compatibility fix for Python 3.6

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:18:54 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 8/25/2015 10:51 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 13:11:37 -, "Papa, Florin" > > wrote: > >> My name is Florin Papa and I work in the Server Languages Optimizations > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Profile Guided Optimization active by-default

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:59:23 -, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 at 23:19 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > On 25 August 2015 at 05:52, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > > What we tested and decided to use on our own builds after benchmarking at > > > work was to build with: > > > > > > make pro

Re: [Python-Dev] Testing tkinter on Linux

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:24:36 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 8/27/2015 12:35 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > >> None of the linux buildbots run with X enabled. Consequently none of the > >> tkinter (or tkinter user) gui tests are run on Linux.

Re: [Python-Dev] Yet another "A better story for multi-core Python" comment

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 10:12:37 -0400, Gary Robinson wrote: > 2) Have a mode where a particular data structure is not reference > counted or garbage collected. This sounds kind of like what Trent did in PyParallel (in a more generic way). --David ___ Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] what is wrong with hg.python.org

On Wed, 09 Sep 2015 20:02:38 +0200, Ivan Levkivskyi wrote: > https://hg.python.org/ returns 503 Service Unavailable for an hour or so. > Is it a maintenance? When it is expected to end? It was an attempt at maintenance (upgrade) that went bad. No ETA yet, I'm afraid. The repo is still ssh acce

Re: [Python-Dev] Can't post to bugs.python.org

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 13:27:42 +0300, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > I can't neither post a message to existing issue nor open a new issue. > The irker854 bot on IRC channel #python-dev cites my message and the > tracker updates activity time of existing issue, but doesn't show my > message and doesn

Re: [Python-Dev] Can't post to bugs.python.org

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 09:02:01 -0400, "R. David Murray" wrote: > If this continues to plague you, we'll probably need to do some live > debugging. You can ping me (bitdancer) on IRC, I should be on for the > next 8 hours or so. This turns out to have been specific to

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Collecting information about git

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:32:33 +0200, Georg Brandl wrote: > On 09/15/2015 08:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > For one, because *I* have been a (moderate) advocate for switching to git > > and > > GitHub. > > Fair enough. Still strange to read this PEP with the explicit caveat of > "The author of

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Collecting information about git

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:59:28 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote: > > For example, I develop > > SQLObject using two private clones (clean backup repo and dirty working > > repo) and three public clones at Gitlab, GutHub and SourceForge. They > > ar

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Collecting information about git

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:17:38 -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > On Sep 16 2015, "R. David Murray" wrote: > > The DAG plus git branches-as-labels *fits in my head* in a way that the > > DAG plus named-branches-and-other-things does not. > > Hmm, that's odd. As f

Re: [Python-Dev] My collection of Python 3.5.0 regressions

Once Steve comes back from vacation he's going to have a lot of Windows install issues to look at. IMO, we should resolve those, and then issue 3.5.1. It's really too bad more people didn't test the installation with the release candidates, and I'm very glad that those people who did so did so...

Re: [Python-Dev] xunit unittest.TestSuite

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 10:26:39 -0700, vijayram wrote: > I am facing this same issue described here: > https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/542 > > > any alternative or solution to this issue that anyone is aware of... please > kindly suggest...

Re: [Python-Dev] Committing a bug fix

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 21:08:02 -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > Can someone remind me which branches regular (non-security) bug fixes go to > these days? See for context. 3.4, 3.5, and default. (3.4 for only another few weeks.) --David ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Rationale behind lazy map/filter

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:59:56 +0300, Stefan Mihaila wrote: > Maybe it's just python2 habits, but I assume I'm not the only one > carelessly thinking that "iterating over an input a second time will > result in the same thing as the first time (or raise an error)". This is the way iterators have

Re: [Python-Dev] Rationale behind lazy map/filter

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:26:09 -0400, Random832 wrote: > "R. David Murray" writes: > > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:59:56 +0300, Stefan Mihaila > > wrote: > >> Maybe it's just python2 habits, but I assume I'm not the only one > >> carelessly t

Re: [Python-Dev] Rationale behind lazy map/filter

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:08:12 -0400, Random832 wrote: > "R. David Murray" writes: > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:26:09 -0400, Random832 > > wrote: > > > > And the answer to the question is: lots of code. I've written some: > > code that iterates an

Re: [Python-Dev] Generated Bytecode ...

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:02:48 -, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 at 09:37 Stéphane Wirtel wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > When we compile a python script > > > > # test.py > > if 0: > > x = 1 > > > > python -mdis test.py > > > > There is no byte code for the condition. > > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] If you shadow a module in the standard library that IDLE depends on, bad things happen

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:56:38 -0700, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > > Why not just check the path of the imported modules and compare it with the > > Python library directory? > > It works, but it requires that everyone who could run into this > p

Re: [Python-Dev] Rationale behind lazy map/filter

On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 03:59:05 +, Michael Selik wrote: > > I'm not suggesting restarting at the top (I've elsewhere suggested that > > many such methods would be better as an *iterable* that can be restarted > > at the top by calling iter() multiple times, but that's not the same > > thing). I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] doc tests failing

We don't have clean doctests for the docs. Patches welcome. At one point I had made the turtle doctests pass (it draws a bunch of stuff on the screen) because otherwise we don't have very many turtle tests, but I haven't checked it in a couple years. Hmm. We could list making the doc doctests p

Re: [Python-Dev] Benchmark results across all major Python implementations

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:23:49 +0100, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > Any thoughts on improving the benchmark set (I think all of > {cpython,pypy,pyston} introduced new benchmarks to the set). > "speed.python.org" becoming a thing is generally stopped on "noone > cares enough to set it up". Actually, w

Re: [Python-Dev] Benchmark results across all major Python implementations

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 23:37:06 +, "Stewart, David C" wrote: > Last June we started publishing a daily performance report of the latest > Python tip against the previous day's run and some established synch point. > We mail these to the community to act as a "canary in the coal mine." I wrote

Re: [Python-Dev] Benchmark results across all major Python implementations

On 17 Nov 2015, at 21:22, Stewart, David C wrote: > On 11/17/15, 10:40 AM, "Python-Dev on behalf of R. David Murray" > rdmur...@bitdance.com> wrote: >> >> I suppose that for this to have maximum effect someone would have to >> specifically be paying attentio

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:17:02 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: > On 26 November 2015 at 08:57, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > There's a lot to process in this thread, but as I see it, the issue breaks > > down to these questions: > > > > * How should PEP 493 be implemented? > > > > * What should the default

Re: [Python-Dev] Avoiding CPython performance regressions

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 09:02:12 -0200, Fabio Zadrozny wrote: > Note that uploading the data to SpeedTin should be pretty straightforward > (by using https://github.com/fabioz/pyspeedtin, so, the main issue would be > setting up o machine to run the benchmarks). Thanks, but Zach almost has this worki

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Reference has no mention of list comÃprehensions

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:15:30 +, MRAB wrote: > On 2015-12-03 15:09, Random832 wrote: > > On 2015-12-03, Laura Creighton wrote: > >> Who came up with the word 'display' and what does it have going for > >> it that I have missed? Right now I think its chief virtue is that > >> it is a meaningle

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Reference has no mention of list comÃprehensions

On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 18:38:03 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Summarising that idea: > > * literals: any of the dedicated expressions that produce an instance > of a builtin type > * constant literal: literals that produce a constant object that can > be cached in the bytecode > * dynamic literal: li

Re: [Python-Dev] "python.exe is not a valid Win32 app"

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:41:35 +0100, Laura Creighton wrote: > In a message of Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:46:03 +0100, Armin Rigo writes: > >Hi all, > > > >On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Laura Creighton wrote: > >> Python 3.5 is not supported on windows XP. Upgrade your OS or > >> stick with 3.4 > > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Asynchronous context manager in a typical network server

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:29:35 +0200, Andrew Svetlov wrote: > I my asyncio code typical initialization/finalization procedures are > much more complicated. > I doubt if common code can be extracted into asyncio. > Personally I don't feel the need for `wait_forever()` or > `loop.creae_context_task()

Re: [Python-Dev] More optimisation ideas

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 14:12:27 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 08:23:00PM +, Brett Cannon wrote: > > So freezing the stdlib helps on UNIX and not on OS X (if my old testing is > > still accurate). I guess the next question is what it does on Windows and > > if we would wa

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:05:19 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote: > But what do you really think? > > IMO, windows builds probably should do both visual studio and mingw. > That is, there probably should be two builds on windows, since there's > no clear consensus about which to use. > > I certainly pref

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug in build system for cross-platform builds

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:04:08 -, "Gregory P. Smith" wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 7:41 PM Martin Panter wrote: > > > On 13 March 2016 at 01:13, Russell Keith-Magee > > wrote: > > > The patches that I've uploaded to Issue23670 [1] show a full > > cross-platform > > > [1] http://bugs.python

Re: [Python-Dev] Not receiving bug tracker emails

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:08:59 +0300, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > On 30.03.16 03:23, Victor Stinner wrote: > > same for me, i'm using using gmail with a @gmail.com email. > > > > Victor > > > > 2016-03-30 1:30 GMT+02:00 Martin Panter : > >> For the last ~36 hours I have stopped receiving emails for m

[Python-Dev] bugs.python.org email blockage at gmail

We think we have a partial (and hopefully temporary) solution to the bugs email blockage: ipv6 has been turned off on bugs, so it is sending only from the ipv4 address. Google appears to be accepting the emails again. However, the IPV4 address has a poor reputation, and Verizon at least appears t

Re: [Python-Dev] bugs.python.org email blockage at gmail

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:21:04 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 6 April 2016 at 11:27, Terry Reedy wrote: > bugs.python.org is currently sending notification emails directly to > recipients, rather than routing them via the outbound SMTP server on > mail.python.org. Correct. > Reconfiguring it to

Re: [Python-Dev] bugs.python.org email blockage at gmail

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:03:36 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > R. David Murray writes: > > > again. However, the IPV4 address has a poor reputation, and Verizon > > at least appears to be blocking it. So more work is still needed. > > Don't tak

Re: [Python-Dev] Pathlib enhancments - method name only

On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:24:44 -, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 at 12:10 Chris Angelico wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Chris Barker > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Koos Zevenhoven > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > __pathstr__ # pathstring > > >> >

Re: [Python-Dev] Pathlib enhancments - method name only

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 17:48:38 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 9 April 2016 at 04:25, Brett Cannon wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 at 11:13 Ethan Furman wrote: > >> On 04/08/2016 10:46 AM, Koos Zevenhoven wrote: > >> > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > >> >> On Fri, Apr 8, 201

Re: [Python-Dev] Pathlib enhancments - method name only

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:51:23 +1200, Greg Ewing wrote: > > On 9 April 2016 at 23:02, R. David Murray wrote: > > > >>That is, a 'filename' is the identifier we've assigned to this thing > >>pointed to by an inode in linux, but an os path is a text

[Python-Dev] I broke the 3.5 branch, apparently

I don't understand how it happened, but apparently I got a merge commit backward and merged 3.6 into 3.5 and pushed it without realizing what had happened. If anyone has any clue how to reverse this cleanly, please let me know. (There are a couple people at the sprints looking in to it, but the m

Re: [Python-Dev] FIXED: I broke the 3.5 branch, apparently

On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 23:21:25 +0100, MRAB wrote: > On 2016-06-03 22:50, R. David Murray wrote: > > I don't understand how it happened, but apparently I got a merge commit > > backward and merged 3.6 into 3.5 and pushed it without realizing what > > had happened. If

Re: [Python-Dev] Logging Module format

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:34:30 -0700, Hasan Diwan wrote: > I've been using the logging module recently and noticed the default format > doesn't timestamp log entries. I've not figured out how to change the > format after initialization. This is python 2.7, on Mac OS X. Help, anyone? This mailing li

Re: [Python-Dev] Coding practice for context managers

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:49:24 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 10/20/2013 07:42 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > > > In short, I recommend that efforts be directed at improving help() rather > > than limiting introspection by way of less clean coding practices. > > +1 I'm also +1 on improving hel

Re: [Python-Dev] Coding practice for context managers

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:11:57 +0100, Paul Moore wrote: > On 21 October 2013 11:59, R. David Murray wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:49:24 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote: > >> On 10/20/2013 07:42 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > >> > > >> > In short, I recom

Re: [Python-Dev] Coding practice for context managers

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:21:11 -0400, "R. David Murray" wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:11:57 +0100, Paul Moore wrote: > > On 21 October 2013 11:59, R. David Murray wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:49:24 -0700, Ethan Furman > > > wrote: > > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 455: TransformDict

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:12:03 -0600, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > If I had to choose right now, a safe choice would be to focus on > the primary use case and implement a clean CaseInsensitiveDict > without the double-dict first-saved case-preserving feature. > That said, I find the TD to be fascinat

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 455: TransformDict

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:12:03 -0600, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > I'm giving a thorough evaluation of the proposal > and am devoting chunks of time each weekend > to reviewing the email threads, the links provided > in the PEPs, looking at how well the TD fits in existing code. > > I'm giving this

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to PSF

On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 22:50:28 +0530, Anup Kumar wrote: > My name is Anup. I am pursuing my Enginering degree at Amrita in India. I > want to start contributing to PSF by fixing bugs and if possible by helping > to develop the python software. So, I request some one to help me for that. Welcome, A

[Python-Dev] python2 and python3 and vim

I came across this in the VIM documentation: Vim can be built in four ways (:version output): 1. No Python support(-python, -python3) 2. Python 2 support only(+python or +python/dyn, -python3) 3. Python 3 support only(-python, +python3 or +python3/dyn) 4. Python

Re: [Python-Dev] [Infrastructure] bugs.python.org not reachable in IPv6?

On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:34:46 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On lun., 2013-11-04 at 16:09 +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > On 04.11.2013 11:01, Victor Stinner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > bugs.python.org is still not responding on IPv6. Can someone please > > > remove the record from python.or

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 19332: Guard against changing dict during iteration

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:34:22 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 08:38:09PM -0800, Ethan Furman wrote: > > > http://bugs.python.org/issue19332 > > Duplicate of this: http://bugs.python.org/issue6017 > > The conclusion on that also was that it is not worth guarding against >

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 19332: Guard against changing dict during iteration

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:10:16 +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > More recently, I added another exception if a dictionary is modified > during a lookup. > > When I proposed a new frozendict type to secure my pysandbox project, > Armin Rigo wrote that CPython segfaults must be fixed. So I fixed a > co

Re: [Python-Dev] (#19562) Asserts in Python stdlib code (datetime.py)

On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:14:38 +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > 2013/11/16 Maciej Fijalkowski : > > Can I see some writeup how -OO benefit embedded devices? > > You get smaller .pyc files. In an embedded device, the whole OS may be > written in a small memory, something like 64 MB or smaller. Removi

Re: [Python-Dev] potential argparse problem: bad mix of parse_known_args and prefix matching

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:30:10 -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote: > Hello, > > argparse does prefix matching as long as there are no conflicts. For > example: > > argparser = argparse.ArgumentParser() > argparser.add_argument('--sync-foo', action='store_true') > args = argparser.parse_args() > > If I pa

Re: [Python-Dev] Add Gentoo packagers of external modules to Misc/ACKS

As far as we have been able to determine, Tae Wong is in fact a bot (note the 'seo' in the email address...a tip of the hand, as far as I can see). We have removed all access permissions (including email) from the related account on the bug tracker already. IMO this address should be blocked from

Re: [Python-Dev] Add Gentoo packagers of external modules to Misc/ACKS

On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:22:18 -0500, John Wong wrote: > Looks like a human to me instead, or some kind of smart AI. look he just > responded again. Could be. He's never responded to a direct question on the bug tracker, though, just posts a new comment with some loose connection to the first comm

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Issue #17576: Deprecation warning emitted now when __int__() or __index__()

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:54:05 +0200, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 12.12.13 00:24, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла): > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 20:28:19 +0100 (CET) > > serhiy.storchaka wrote: > >> http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/618cca51a27e > >> changeset: 87899:618cca51a27e > >> branch: 3.

Re: [Python-Dev] Default SIGINT handling dangerous?

On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:14:10 +0100, "Jurko Gospodneti" wrote: >My scripts replace the default SIGINT/SIGBREAK signal handlers as > soon as possible, and everything works great after that, but things get > ugly if Ctrl-C is pressed before the script gets a chance to do this. I > could even

Re: [Python-Dev] Interested in GSoC 2014

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:11:41 +0530, Prasad Joshi wrote: > I am interested in participating GSoC 2014. I have went through last > year's eligibility criterion, I think I am qualified to participate. I > know GSoC 2014 still has more than 2-3 months, however I would like to > start early. Please le

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot running Debian amd64 as root

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:00:02 -0600, Zachary Ware wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Zachary Ware > wrote: > > and we should just fix the tests that expect zlib unconditionally. > > Both of which turned out to be trivial; the import of zlib was already > guarded in both places, but one sk

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.4.0b2

On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:32:15 -0800, Bob Hanson wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:09:53 -0600, Tim Peters wrote: > > So it's just Akamai caching content. Common as mud. Can't say > > specifically what was being cached, but it _could_ be that your ISP > > contracts with Akamai. > > Still not followi

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: whatsnew: XMLPullParser, plus some doc updates.

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 01:22:21 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 5 Jan 2014 12:54, "r.david.murray" wrote: > > > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/069f88f4935f > > changeset: 88308:069f88f4935f > > user:R David Murray > > date:

Re: [Python-Dev] The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby is now open!

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:46:59 -0800, Larry Hastings wrote: > > I'm trying to get a huge chunk of work done on Python 3.4 in the next, > oh, week-and-a-half, and I could use your help. I'm trying to convert a > whole bunch of call sites in Python to use "Argument Clinic", a new > build utility

Re: [Python-Dev] Python3 "complexity" (was RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes...)

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:22:08 +, "Matt Billenstein" wrote: > I started in Python blissfully unaware of unicode - it was a different time > for > sure, but what I knew from C worked pretty much the same in Python - I could > read some binary data out of a file, twiddle some bits, and write it b

Re: [Python-Dev] Python3 "complexity" (was RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes...)

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:04:56 +, wrote: > Believe it or not, sometimes you really don't care about encodings. > Sometimes you just want to parse text files. Python 3 forces you to > think about abstract concepts like encodings when all you want is to > open that .txt file on the drive and extr

Re: [Python-Dev] Python3 "complexity" (was RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes...)

On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:12:57 +, wrote: > I think there might be a different analogy: Having to specify an > encoding is like having strong typing. In Python 2.7, we _can_ forego > that and just duck-type our strings :) Python is a strongly typed language. Saying that python2 let you duck t

Re: [Python-Dev] RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes % args and bytes.format(args) to Python 3.5

tl;dr: At the end I'm volunteering to look at real code that is having porting problems. On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:33:17 +0100, "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > asciistr is interesting in that it coerces to bytes instead > of to Unicode (as is the case in Python 2). > > At the moment it doesn't cover the m

Re: [Python-Dev] RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes % args and bytes.format(args) to Python 3.5

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:54:26 -0800, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 01/11/2014 11:49 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > MRAB writes: > > > > > > with open("outfile.pdf", "w", encoding="latin-1") as f: > > > > f.write(pdf) > > > > > > > [snip] > > > The second example won't work because you

Re: [Python-Dev] RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes % args and bytes.format(args) to Python 3.5

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 17:51:41 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 12 January 2014 04:38, R. David Murray wrote: > > But! Our goal should be to help people convert to Python3. So how can > > we find out what the specific problems are that real-world programs are > > facing, loo

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460 reboot

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:41:18 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:11:47 -0800 > Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > > On 01/12/2014 04:47 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > >> %s seems the trickiest: I think with a bytes argument it

Re: [Python-Dev] magic method __bytes__

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:38:38 -0800, Ethan Furman wrote: > Has anyone actually used __bytes__ yet? What for? bytes(email.message.Message()) returns the message object serialized to "wire format". --David PS: I've always thought of "wire format" as *including* files...a file is a just a "wire" w

Re: [Python-Dev] Byte/text documentation improvements (was: PEP 460 reboot)

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:43:16 -0800, "Jim J. Jewett" wrote: > Greg Ewing replied: > > >> ... ASCII compatible binary data is a > >> *subset* of arbitrary binary data. > > I wrote: > > > But in terms of explaining the text model, that > > separation is important enough that > > >(2) It *ma

Re: [Python-Dev] Binding problem

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:53:05 +1100, "Rob Ward" wrote: > I apologise if I have come to the wrong place here, but 12hrs > searching, plus experimenting, on the WWW for advice on it has not > yielded any successful advice to resolve the issue. This is indeed the wrong place. Your best bet for gett

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: whatsnew: move of reload, update new windows-only ssl functions entry.

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 13:20:48 -0500, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 12:27 PM, r.david.murray > wrote: > > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/b3f034f5000f > > changeset: 4:b3f034f5000f > > parent: 2:19d81cc213d7 > > user:R David

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: whatsnew: 'U' mode deprecation (#15204).

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:09:53 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 10 Mar 2014 11:36, "r.david.murray" wrote: > > > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/2d5544afb510 > > changeset: 89547:2d5544afb510 > > user:R David Murray > > date:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 change in importlib/__init__.py breaking cxFreeze?

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:25:17 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 10 Mar 2014 19:15, "Jurko Gospodnetić" wrote: > > > > Hi all. > > > > Python 3.4 introduced a change to Lib/importlib/__init__.py that added > the following code to it: > > > >> else: > >> # importlib._bootstrap is the built-in

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 4: don't remove anything, don't break backward compatibility

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:06:22 -, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Mon Mar 10 2014 at 11:50:54 AM, Victor Stinner > wrote: > > > 2014-03-10 16:25 GMT+01:00 Stefan Richthofer : > > > I don't see the point in this discussion. > > > As far as I know, the major version is INTENDED to > > > indicate backwa

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:15:28 +0100, =?UTF-8?B?SnVya28gR29zcG9kbmV0acSH?= wrote: >Hi. > > On 8.3.2014. 6:48, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Yeah, the changes to help() are doubly indirect - help() uses pydoc > > which uses inspect, and inspect saw a lot of changes. > > > > I'll make a few updates to

[Python-Dev] Whats New in 3.4 is pretty much done...

Well, I think What's New for 3.4 is done. I've been through all of the NEWS items from the start of 3.4 through the beta1 release. I've gone over the list of changes Serhiy found via the versionadded/versionchanged in the docs. (Since he marked some that didn't turn out to be 3.4 changes, I assu

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:15:21 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 11.03.2014 08:00, schrieb Ned Deily: > > In article , > > Georg Brandl wrote: > > > >> Am 11.03.2014 06:31, schrieb Ned Deily: > >> > In article > >> > , > >> > Ni

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:57:36 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 11.03.2014 15:54, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > > I'm not sure I agree completely with this lax attitude about the contents > > of the > > docs, and especially the What's New parts of it (both Misc/NEWS and > > Doc/whatsnew/3.4.rst). > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Why not make frames? [was: Alternative forms [was: PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions]]

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:26:14 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Jim J. Jewett wrote: > > I don't claim that syntax is perfect. I do think it is less flawed > > than the no-parentheses (or external parentheses) versions: > > > > (expr1 except expr3 if expr2) > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Whats New in 3.4 is pretty much done...

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:23:14 -0500, "Andrew M. Hettinger" wrote: > Antoine Pitrou wrote on 03/13/2014 01:46:12 PM: > > On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:57:41 +0100 > > Victor Stinner wrote: > > > 2014-03-13 11:49 GMT+01:00 Christian Heimes : > > > > * All stdlib modules now support server cert verificati

[Python-Dev] Confirming status of new modules in 3.4

I just want to summarize the status of the modules that have been added to the stdlib in 3.4 to make sure they are all labeled correctly: Provisional: asyncio pathlib Not Provisional: ensurepip enum selectors statistics tracemalloc I'm especially curious about tracemalloc, since I know Victor

Re: [Python-Dev] unit tests for error messages

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 20:32:38 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 19.03.2014 19:55, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:53:31 -0700 > > Ethan Furman wrote: > > > >> I just made a change to some error messages [1] (really, just one): > >> > >> old behavior: > >> > >>'%o' % 3.14 >

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest assertRaisesRegex bug?

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:41:10 -0700, Thomas Wouters wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > > On 03/19/2014 03:57 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:17:53 -0700 > >> Ethan Furman wrote: > >> > >>> On 03/19/2014 03:13 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 01:01:38 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 07:11:07 +1000 > Nick Coghlan wrote: > > This PEP does *not* grant any general exemptions to the usual backwards > > compatibility policy for maintenance releases. Instead, it is designed > > to make it easier to prov

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: #20145: assert[Raises|Warns]Regex now raise TypeError on bad regex.

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:43:14 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 20:47:28 +0100 (CET) > r.david.murray wrote: > > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/ec556e45641a > > changeset: 89936:ec556e45641a > > user:R David Murray > > date:

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