, too.
Can somebody please double check the change? The results are promising
and I'm sure I've implemented it correctly but you never know ;)
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> Ignoring whether this is the right thing to do, should this be in sys or in
> gc?
Yeah, good idea. The gc module makes sense.
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> are going to move attrs out of sys for py3k, we should consider
> renaming them to be consistent too. Regardless of moving them, should
> we rename them.)
The attribute name is the least problem. It's easy to fix. Brett came up
with a nice idea, too. He sug
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>> Do the int/float free lists cause any trouble or can they eat lots of
>> memory?
>
> I hope I am interpreting it correctly, but it seems
> http://evanjones.ca/memo
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increase your priority on the port of your PEP to 2.6?
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PyBuffer_FillInfo
PyObject_ReleaseBuffer
PyObject_GetBuffer
PyBuffer_ToContiguous
PyObject_CheckBuffer
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Python 2.6 and 3.0. You must change as less code as possible in Python
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http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/
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lated in software).
Some of the devices have a (slow) floating point engine. But it's
sometimes disabled to safe power or userland software can't sometimes
access the FPU. Some devices can (ab)use the DSP or GPU/OpenGL engine to
speed up flo
2
Debug|db_static. build_tkinter.py builds the Tkinter dependencies.
I'm trying to hang out on IRC during PyCon so I might be able to assist
with Windows questions.
It would be really cool if you can recruit some experienced Windows
developers. :]
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Steve Holden wrote:
> Does VS2008 (Express) coexist peacefully with VS2005, which I need to
> retain for certain client projects?
I've VS2005 and VS2008 (both professional) on my box. I haven't run into
problems and they are living happily toge
The build bots
are using vcbuild instead of devenv. The professional edition has it.
c:\dev\python\trunk\PCbuild>vcbuild /useenv pcbuild.sln "Release|Win32"
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> Great! Just let me know if/when the vcbuild change is made to the
> build.bat file and the Windows part of the slides are done.
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> The 1 MB PDF can be found at
> http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~drifty/pycon/sprint_tutorial.pdf . If you find
> any bad info or some info that is really lacking, let me know. But
> please realize that my slides are never really meant to be read on
> their own as it just goes against my
oes it alloc/free directly?
Can your profile my patch and compare it to your results? It may be a
bit faster if your patch doesn't use a free list.
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anything other than an
> ugly solution (though there is precedent for the concept via the gc
> module).
Yeah, I won't argue with that. The compaction function is a crutch.
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ints instead of unsigned shorts?
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Neal Norwitz wrote:
> It's not just size. Architectures may require data aligned on 4, 8,
> or 16 addresses for optimal performance depending on data type. IIRC,
> malloc aligns by 8 (not sure if that was a particular arch or very
> common). I don't know if pymalloc handles alignment.
Yes, pyma
u extend the digits,
> you might get 64-bit results, which will be slow on 32-bit systems
> (plus some 32-bit systems don't support a 64-bit integer type at all
> in their compilers).
I pass! :)
It may be worth a try for Python 4.0 when mos
Brett Cannon wrote:
> The corrected version of the slides are now up at the same location.
I found a minor mistake
PC/
* Build files for compilers older than VS 7.1.
The PC directory contains build directories for VC6.0, VC 7.1, VC8.0 and
OS2.
Christ
cts/db/transactions/60708-1.txn': No space left on device
> --
I tried myself. It's failing with the same error message. Somebody has
to call janitor; the hard disk needs some cleaning. ;)
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ery hard to beat it though.
A fixed size LIFO array like PyFloatObject
*free_list[PyFloat_MAXFREELIST] increased the speed slightly. IMHO a
value of about 80-200 floats and ints is realistic for most apps. More
objects in the free lists could keep too many pymallo
list[PyFloat_MAXFREELIST] is
even faster than block allocation. A small free list with 80 objects
each would speed up the creation of floats and ints a bit *and* result
in a quicker return of memory to the OS.
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larger number doesn't make a performance difference. I'd stick to 80,
maybe 120 for ints for now.
> I'd like to think that these changes could be considered fixes for
> performance bugs so that they could be applied for 2.5.2, but I doubt
> that will fl
e lists during a full
gc sweep. Every type with a free list gets a new function
PySpam_ClearFreeList() which frees all items in the type's
free list.
The latter counteracts the potential issue with arenas.
By the way objects are always aligned at 8 byte addre
. It should read "12 or 14 byte object".
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Py_INCREF(o);
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svnmerge a little bit easier.
Thanks!
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7;ve put an issue on pending
state when it was fixed on the trunk but we haven't decided if the bugs
needs to be fixed in 2.5 as well. I've also set old bugs as pending to
give the op a change to reopen the bug within a month.
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It seems 42 isn't the answer at all. What a shame. *scnr* :)
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accepted. For the experimental branch it was much easier to write it in
Python.
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We have over 1,700 open issues - bug reports, feature requests and
patches - in our bug tracker. In my humble opinion it's a sure sign for
a problem.
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"cannot reproduce" is ambiguous in a slightly different, more family
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working solution for it in his sandbox.
http://bugs.python.org/issue1657 my kqueue and epoll patch, just needs
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Thomas Herve has worked out a patch: http://bugs.python.org/issue2177
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real. How does -O affect Python code nowadays? IIRC it set __debug__ to
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could be easier to maintain.
On the other hand it would introduce another dependency to a 3rd party
tool and things may get complicated if we leave the road. Automation
tools tend to make common things really easy but special and uncommon
stuff really hard.
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with a new one.
The issue should be resolved before Python 2.6 and 3.0 are reaching beta
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Yeah, been there, got frustrated, went back :/
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> bugs (as described in roundup) hold up the release. Right now there are
> no critical bugs open.
#1569 is critical but not important enough to stop an alpha. As I said
in the other mail it should be fixed for the first beta and must be
fixed for the first rc.
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n't understand how applink is going to help you. The SSL libs are
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Do you have an opinion on the initial proposal of applink.c? The
proposal does neither seem harmful nor problematic but I also don't see
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Thanks for the correction! It seems my information is a bit outdated.
Several years ago we have moved most or all subversion repositories to
fsfs because we had major issue with the Berkeley backend. I haven't
used the bdb backend since then.
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Guido van Rossum wrote:
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I got that in your last mail ;)
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project failed due to problems with the Berkeley db. I vaguely remember
something with transactions and speed ...
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30 minutes. I found one strange behavior. Some tests were failing
because iter(fileobj) where fileobj is a tempfile._TemporaryFileWrapper
failed. Apparently iter() doesn't use __getattr__ to acquire the
__iter__ method. Is this behavior deliber
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I won't have time today. Sorry
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build stuff. devenv doesn't work for Express Edition.
vcbuild seems to be the preferred CLI app to build a project but it's
limited. I think it doesn't support /upgrade.
MvL probably has a better answer ;)
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> those tests work with the tempfile module as written on 2.x.
tempfile is also using different implementation for TemporaryFile on
Win32. On Windows it's an alias for NamedTemporaryFile while on Unix
it's using a file de
0 failed, 1 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==
>
> I don't know how the existing vcbuild line ever worked, given the following
> output from vcbuild /?:
>
> Usage: vcbuild [options] [project|solution] [config|$ALL]
Try:
vcbuild /useenv db_
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> PyCon is using a PR team to help with publicity. Maybe we can ask them
> for assistance on how to get the word out?
That's a *very* good idea! Let's ask some professionals rather than
writing something on our
reports, feature request and important changes have an entry in
Misc/NEWS.
So in general Misc/NEWS isn't an issue but Docs/whatsnew/ is. Only a
couple of people - mostly Georg and Andrew - are updating the files.
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PyBytes - bytearray
See? :)
The documentation for the PyString functions is outdated and IIRC the
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of the build process required human interaction. I don't want to
diminish the effort that was put into welease though. But maybe (!) the
same time spent for fixing some bugs would have helped the RM more.
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ake the migration process easier I can add a header file
that provides PyString_* functions as aliases for PyBytes_*
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one and integers are PyLong based, the
distinction between bytes and text is much easier ...
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had a differnt target in mind, mainly large IT news sites with
broader audience. It'd be great if we can mobilize some professional PR
people to write an announcement for the press.
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Greg Ewing wrote:
> Christian Heimes wrote:
>> The latest alphas of Python 2.6 and 3.0 are build with VS 2088.
>
> Wow, that must be a very, very pre-alpha release...
>
> Or has someone at Redmond stolen Guid
'__flags__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__itemsize__',
'__module__', '__mro__', '__name__', '__new__', '__reduce__',
'__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__
the new IO framework.
* Replace Windows API calls with wide versions to support unicode for
file names, environment etc.
* Get the stdlib reorg done and add the fixers to 2to3
* Speed up 2to3. I suggested a GSoC task to improve and speed up 2to3
but it may be too late when we plan to ship out 3.0
#x27;m not sure if and how 2to3 can be speed up. Maybe some profiling and
some C code can increase the speed. It's worth a shot.
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rsive system, and as
> such bombs out when it encounters, e.g., files with a thousand
> assignment statements in a row. I'd also like something more
> expressive: the current DSL can't express recursive patterns.
Do you have time to mentor a GSoC project? Or can you men
bodies are going to rot and stink sooner than later. By Python 3.2
everybody surely regrets the confusing names. ;)
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> keep organized. However, if this is Python's way, I'm not going to stand in
> it.
Despite the url bugs.python.org it's an issue tracker and not a bug
tracker. We track patches, feature requests, ideas and bugs in the same
tracker.
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or beta/final show stoppers, "urgent" for
show stoppers for the next release and "immediate" for critical bugs
that either affects security or the current development process.
I like to keep one priority reserved for issue that must be resolevd
ASAP and within hours and not
module into our
MSI. Martin is working on the problem. In the mean time you can work
around the problem by installing the MSVCRT 9.0 Redist.
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break it.
About two months ago I fixed the most critical bugs but the unicode free
build is treated like a poor cousin at best. It's neither actively
developed nor tested in regular intervals. IMO it's a deprecation candiate.
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+1 for AMD64
If we ever need names for Itanium and i386 compatible arch I propose
IA64 and X86.
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Per user site-packages directory http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/
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e the packages aren't signed yet
sudo apt-get --force-yes -y install bzr bzr-gtk bzrtools
Also read https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive and
http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads
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Fatal Python error: subversion keywords missing
Aborted (core dumped)
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#x27;t use plain ''.
For this particular issue one could probably and easily come up with a
fast fixer. A simple regexp should be cover 99% of all occurrences of
u'' and u"".
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Totally unrelated to your posting:
I wonder why http://www.python.org/dev/faq/#how-to-make-a-patch uses tee
instead of > file ?
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o look at a patch).
Oh yeah, Tortoise tries to be "clever". Stupid turtle :(
TortoiseSVN is great tool and IMHO the best GUI app for svn but its
patching system it's more than annoying.
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PyBytes_ in both Python 2.6 and 3.0 core code. In Python 2.6 some macros
replace the PyBytes_* functions with PyString_ so the linker sees
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codecs)
* Add old style read write buffer interface to bytearray (for
file.readinto)
* Fix pickle and copy support for bytearray
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week. Please checkout the branch and help me figure out the remaining
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should be trivial to implement a __future__ unicode_string_literals feature.
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>
> I've successfully back ported the bytearray type and the io module from
> 3.0 to 2.6. The code is available in the branch trunk-bytearray [1]. I'm
> down to four failing byte tests and one failing io test. The failing
> byte tests
ork in 3.0?
It *seems* like the comparison ops don't work correctly for subclasses.
In general subclassing works but comparison of subclasses result in
wrong results.
It's probably easy to fix but I haven't figured it out yet.
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Facundo Batista schrieb:
> So, now the byte object behaves equal in 2.6 and 3.0, right?
>
> Thanks!
Correct!
The bytearray type and the new IO system are now backported to Python 2.6.
Christian
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