On 10/05/2022 13.18, Victor Stinner wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:28 AM Christian Heimes wrote:
Right now, Python still uses distutils internally for multiple use
cases. I propose to start with renaming the distutils package to
_distutils in the stdlib:
* https://github.com/python/cpython
es? How do I have to set up my build environment? Which commands
do I have to execute? Is there a container image available that comes
with everything pre-installed?
You mentioned well-documented process by the Android team. Could you
please provide links to the rele
rts of the dev guide confuses you and which
section you had a hard time to understand. This would help us greatly to
identify problems with the dev guide and help other people that want to
contribute.
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On 08.08.19 17:20, Ronald Oussoren via Python-Dev wrote:
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>
>> On 8 Aug 2019, at 17:12, Christian Tismer > <mailto:tis...@stackless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ronald,
>>
>> sure, the tuple is usually not very interesting; people look it up
>>
hy not name it 'return_value' or 'result' or
> 'retval' or something like that?
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:43 AM Christian Tismer <mailto:tis...@stackless.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Guido,
>
> If a C++ function already has a return value,
xError after the parser is finished, in a
> subsequent pass. Is it really a syntax error if pgen doesn't object to
> it? In current CPython, the answer is yes.
...
OT: Thanks for the interesting read!
I am excited which way it will continue.
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approach is to go with the
> generic SyntaxError as Barry suggests. I'll update my PRs accordingly.
Totally agree. It is fine to have SyntaxError now and go for
one or more new subclasses for a whole bunch of errors at
a later time, fixing more things in a more consistent way
ot! Especially the builtins idea
is really great :-P
Cheers - Chris
p.s.: How about adding @private as well?
There are cases where I would like to do the opposite:
__all__ = dir()
@private
_some_private_func_1(...): ...
...
@private
_some_private_func_n(...): ...
not-too-serio
On 12.08.19 10:52, Ivan Levkivskyi wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 17:17, Christian Tismer <mailto:tis...@stackless.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes, that's what I mean.
> Probably retval or whatever people prefer would be adequate,
> with a special rule if that na
://bugs.python.org/issue37702 and
https://bugs.python.org/issue35941 for more details.
As a workaround I suggest that you create a single SSLContext with
ssl.create_default_context() and reuse the context in all HTTP queries.
You can share the context across threads w/o locking
target in
the same security context except for debugging. If an attacker is able
to compromise the interpreter, then the attacker most likely gains
enough privileges to wipe the file. That's why Steve uses the Windows
event log in his examples and I'm going for syslog and journald. The
ay. It
was my intent to provide an explanation why there is not much adoption
of the new hooks yet. Please go ahead, put the paddle to the metal and
play around with the new features!
For example you could look into the new config system and figure out
what is missing to build an spython interpreter
little value. Let’s just
> call it a wart until Python 4000.
I'm 100% with Barry. We can certainly document the "u" string prefix
as deprecated. I'm strongly against removing it from Python 3 or even
raising a deprecation warning. L
or Ubuntu
18.04 LTS, 2024 for RHEL 8.0, and 2028 for SUSE SLES 15.
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I would really like to understand the reason for this unexpected effect.
Does this ring a bell? I have no clue what is wrong with PySide, if it
is wrong at all.
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On 08.12.19 09:49, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On Fri., 6 Dec. 2019, 3:31 am Christian Tismer, <mailto:tis...@stackless.com>> wrote:
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> Hi guys,
>
> during the last few weeks I have been struggling quite much
> in order to make PySide run with Python 3.8 at
On 08.12.19 09:49, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On Fri., 6 Dec. 2019, 3:31 am Christian Tismer, <mailto:tis...@stackless.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> during the last few weeks I have been struggling quite much
> in order to make PySide run with Python 3.8 at
On 09.12.19 23:26, Nick Coghlan wrote:
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> On Tue., 10 Dec. 2019, 5:17 am MRAB, <mailto:pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com>> wrote:
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> On 2019-12-09 18:22, Christian Tismer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Nick,
> >
> > afte
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Sorry, I sent the fixed version.
These two incref's are missing!
On 10.12.19 14:16, Christian Tismer wrote:
> Hi Łukasz,
>
> tonite I found a critical bug that affects all heaptype extension
> classes with a custom (not PyType_Type) type.
>
> the bug is i
On 10.12.19 14:28, Łukasz Langa wrote:
>
>> On 10 Dec 2019, at 14:16, Christian Tismer > <mailto:tis...@stackless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Please let me know how you want to proceed.
>> This is a critical error, producing negative refcounts.
>
> Is there
Thanks in advance,
> Victor
>
> Le mar. 10 déc. 2019 à 14:18, Christian Tismer a écrit
> :
>>
>> Hi Łukasz,
>>
>> tonite I found a critical bug that affects all heaptype extension
>> classes with a custom (not PyType_Type) type.
>>
>> the b
Hi all,
Sorry for the noise, I was wrong, and I retract.
I was somehow mislead and hunted a phantom.
Best - Chris
On 10.12.19 00:29, Christian Tismer wrote:
> On 09.12.19 23:26, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue., 10 Dec. 2019, 5:17 am MRAB, > <mailto:pyt...@
e same problem, since there is no 5.14 version yet ;-)
> On 2019-12-11 23:48, Christian Tismer wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Sorry for the noise, I was wrong, and I retract.
>> I was somehow mislead and hunted a phantom.
>
> Does that mean that there was never a problem?
&
ited API a bit, because we have to dynamically
figure that out in order to be version-independent.
I am not so sure if that whole change was worth to break it?
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Pardon, I meant "there is no Python 3.8 version, yet".
And this is wrong, the MacOS pip install shows
PyQt5-5.13.2-5.13.2-cp35.cp36.cp37.cp38-abi3-macosx_10_6_intel.whl
So probably we have some bad oversight, somewhere.
Cheers -- Chris
On 12.12.19 13:48, Christian Tismer w
t; True
>
> The `<` operator try to use `__lt__`, but if it is not defined falls
> back to `__gt__`.
The operation "a < b" also fallback back to B.__gt__, when A.__lt__
returns NotImplemented for instances of B.
Christian
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Hi,
we had issued a PR for bpo-36226 almost a year ago, but the PR [1]
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Would it be possible to get a new review on this PR?
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> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 05:04:55 +0300
> Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
>> I don't see the point of requiring to "write an apology", especially *before
>> a 12-month ban*. If they understand that their behavior is
>> wrong, there's no need for a ban, a
ite-packages/multiprocessing-2.6.1.1-py2.5-linux-
> return recv()
> TypeError: type 'partial' takes at least one argument
functool.partial instances are not picklable. You have to teach
multiprocessing how to serialize a functool.partial instance.
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nction. Without the type checking of the unbound method wrapper
the restriction is gone.
Python 3.0.1 (r301:69655, Feb 15 2009, 23:28:13)
[GCC 4.3.2] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
&g
My approach is maybe naive and imposible to implement :-)
Something similar to your approach is already implemented in Zope 3's
security system. Have a look at
http://svn.zope.org/zope.security/trunk/src/zope/security/
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Why is the feature still disabled by default?
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increases the minimum run-time by approx. 25% and the average run-time
by approx. 40% on my Ubuntu 8.10
tim of the very
same issue, too. Should we do anything about it?
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> If I understand the post properly, it's up to the app to call fsync(),
> and it's only necessary when you're doing one of the rename dances, or
> updating a file in place. Basically, as he explains, fsync() is a very
> heavyweight operation; I'm against calling it by defau
Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Christian Heimes cheimes.de> writes:
>> I agree with you, fsync() shouldn't be called by default. I didn't plan
>> on adding fsync() calls all over our code. However I like to suggest a
>> file.sync() method and a synced flag for files
e and a half hour earlier I suggested 'sync()'
as the name of the method and 'synced' as the name of the flag that
forces a fsync() call during the close operation.
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the right way to me!
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* Use 'make fullinstall' to install as 'python'.
* However, 'make fullinstall' is discouraged,
* as it will clobber your Python 2.x installation.
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>> Today I was in contact with a Python user who tried to compile
>> pyprocessing - the ancestor of multiprocessing - on Solaris. It failed
>> to run because Solaris is missing two features (HAVE_FD_TRANSFER and
>> HAVE_SEM_TIMEDWAIT). Does anybody have a Solaris box at his
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ing to his
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If the latter is true and the only reason, I vote for reclaiming
the three bytes. Maybe it saves a tree or two. Maybe it hurts
very little if done for Python 3000.
In any case, use the version that saves the most energy. :-)
not kidding - ciao -- chris
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should produce the same set of definitions but I'm
not able to test it on different platforms expect Linux.
http://python-multiprocessing.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/configure.ac
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> Christian - I would appreciate it if we could coordinate/track this on
> the tracker too - I had no idea you were doing this in the back port,
> and I don't think we want the two code bases to diverge that much.
You could not have known about the idea because
ils and setup.py.
In my opinion any change to an automated system is a waste of precious
developer times and makes our Windows support worse.
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> CMake, not an afterthought.
Please understand my previous mail in the context of Python core
development. For KDE it makes perfectly sense to use cmake.
For Python on Windows I just don't see any relevant benefits. I'm not
against a CMake approach
a previous mail
about 15 minutes ago.
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I'd be willing to maintain the C implementation. I would be willing
to write those tests that are possible as well.
Is this something that would be likely to be accepted?
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John Ehresman wrote:
> * To what extent should non-debugger code use the hook? At one end of
> the spectrum, the hook could be made readily available for non-debug use
> and at the other end, it could be documented as being debug only,
> disabled in python -O, & not exposed in the stdlib to python
row it away when it may become in handy for other FOSS projects
that want to move away from subversion.
Dirkjan or whoever is going to work on the PEP can copy n' paste the
interesting pieces from PEP 374 to the new one.
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> 64-bit platforms. Where the size of a 'dictentry' doubles, but the
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>
> Anyway, I would be happy to implement something along the lines of a
> "StringSet", or maybe the "InternSet&qu
different machines -
i think the problem are the *.pyc files of different machines which are
generated at the same time.
is pep-0304 implemented in a newer python version ( we use 2.4.4 ) or is
there a work around or can someone implement pep-0304?
thank you for your help!
Viele Grüße
Christian
nal changes would be required to get this included?
Please direct traffic regarding this subject to
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print read, write
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>> As an aside, is this a general feature of functions
>> that steal references, or is PyModule_AddObject an
>> oddity?
>
> IIRC, It's an oddity.
But it is a convenient oddity nonetheless.
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I will be using cTypes with the parts of Mark Hammond's code
> that I need, license permitting. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
The subprocess module several wrappers for win32 APIs in
Modules/_subprocess.c. You could add the necessary functions.
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For what purpose do you want to have physical units in Python syntax? Do
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> On behalf of the Python development team, I'm thrilled to announce the first
> production release of Python 3.1.
Gratulations! You did a fantastic job! :)
Christian
PS: I hope that I'm able to spare more of my work time on the
developme
tes and wraps the
C++ code in Python wrappers. JCC even allows you to implement native
methods of Java classes in Python.
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please verify that we are allowed to use the subscription for that
purpose, too?
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Some features like PGO aren't available in VS Express Edition or Windows
SDK. I'm not sure about all aspects of X86_64 builds, too. I'm prefer
better safe than sorry.
Disclaimer: I would never disclose that I'm a tiny bit paranoid ... :)
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Should we change the above union to a safer construct?
Or maybe I just missed something obvious and made a fool out of me?
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, IOW they are *all* badly aligned.
If that matters, of course.
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thon distribution.
Interesting, I didn't know that IronPython supports ctypes, too. I still
find ctypes a bit problematic because it doesn't us header files for its
types, structs and function definitions.
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ess.c).
You've hit the nail on the head! That's it.
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On 7/23/09 2:04 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Christian Tismer stackless.com> writes:
Despite the fact that Python probably has to be changed:
If it is true then all the 32-bit Linux Pythons have a 12
byte GC head, IOW they are *all* badly aligned.
Why are they badly aligned?
The fact that l
On 7/23/09 2:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Christian Tismer stackless.com> writes:
...
I'm not sure a double aligned on a 4-byte boundary is "misaligned" on a x86 CPU.
I'm also not sure. Anyway, the result was neither intended nor
expected, I guess.
Alignment is
rd python.
>
> So i guess that I am working with the same goal in mind.
I'm sorry to inform you that a wxWindows based solution has zero change
to get into the Python standard library ever. We are not going to add
another GUI toolkit to the core distr
still unhappy with this waste of memory, just because the
GC header has to be rounded up, regardlwss wether that is needed
or not.
We should keep Martin's hint in mind, that Python 4 could place
the gc header at the end of structures, instead.
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Christian Tismer wrote:
> We should keep Martin's hint in mind, that Python 4 could place
> the gc header at the end of structures, instead.
Wow, 3.1 just came out and we already have the first PEP for Python 4k? :)
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On 7/27/09 12:48 AM, Christian Heimes wrote:
Christian Tismer wrote:
We should keep Martin's hint in mind, that Python 4 could place
the gc header at the end of structures, instead.
Wow, 3.1 just came out and we already have the first PEP for Python 4k? :)
Christian
Maybe it&#
On 7/24/09 5:16 AM, Roumen Petrov wrote:
Christian Tismer wrote:
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Did the crash disappear is you add "__attribute__((aligned(8)))" after
variable dummy ?
Did not try. But the proposed addition of a double does it,
see the dev list.
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> Do I need to register this module some place else too (setup.py?) ?
>
> Any hints and pointers will be appreciated :)
You have to add the module and its initializer to PC/config.c, too.
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a good idea:
>>
>> no egg - worst seen ever, remove it from pypi or provide an egg
>> (jensens, 2009-10-05, 0 points)
>>
>>
Actually Jens is a Plone developer ...
I'm including Jens in this discussion so he may shed some light on his
comment.
Christian
e, "lib", "python" +
sys.version[:3],
+USER_SITE = os.path.join(user_base, "lib",
+ interpreter_name.lower() +
sys.version[:3],
"site-packages")
return USER_SITE
The patch doesn't
om Python and there
is no automatic transition path that effectively means that existing
code using %-formatting is forced to stay at whatever Python version
was the last one supporting %-formatting.
I surely hope nobody is seriously considering such a scenario. Perl 6
seems harmless in compariso
rs from now,
all maintainers of long existing code have exactly the same problem.
IMHO, either the translation is done once and gives identical output or
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`with` and `as` are trivial to fix and certainly not pervasive in
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Nick Coghlan wrote:
> Christian Heimes wrote:
>> The solution requires a new attribute in the sys module that contains
>> the name of the implementation. As an alternative we could use the first
>> field of sys.subversion but I prefer an explicit attribute. I'm
>> p
te all these
> schemes in a single place in the stdlib (so in sys maybe?)
Hello Tarek!
I'm feeling uncomfortable with sticking so much information into the sys
module. Another module with installation schemata wouldn't hurt, though.
In my opinion it's usually wise to separa
Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> `usersitesuffix` should probably be a separate sys attribute, since it doesn't
> depend on the VM only, but also on the platform and version.
I don't really care and I'm happy to follow the herd in this
don't think my proposal will land into 2.6. The changes are too severe
for a bug fix release.
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PEP 370. The string contains the implementation name as well as the
version number of Python.
Examples:
python2.6 (CPython, Unix)
Python26 (CPython, Windows)
ironpython2.6 (IronPython, Unix)
IronPython26 (IronPython, Windows)
...
Comments?
Christian
_
ation. I could also add a lookup table for all
known implementations to the site module. But what about unknown or new
implementations? They would have to wait until we add a new entry for
them. The sys.userdirsuffix is more flexible and future prove.
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Also, why is it the name of the JIT compiler, and not the name of the
> source language compiler?
The term "source language compiler" describes the intent of the field
perfectly. Thanks Martin! I was merely guessing what the compiler name
may look like on Jython.
Christian
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ld let Guido decide about the identifier before we have
another bike-shedding war. ;-)
>> name (required):
>> mixed case name of the implementation, for example "CPython",
>> "IronPython", "Jython", "PyPy"
>
> Likewise; alternatively &q
y that I know of to determine the JIT being used in .NET. We could
> of course fill in some dummy value here for IronPython but I'm also not
> sure why anyone would use this.
Martin has already answered both points to my satisfaction. Do you agree
with him?
Christian
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