Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147: PYC Repository Directories

2010-02-03 Thread Ben Finney
piled bytecode files addresses this better. -- \ “I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting. | `\ But it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take | _o__) it seriously.” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney __

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147: PYC Repository Directories

2010-02-03 Thread Ben Finney
or now. -- \ “A man may be a fool and not know it — but not if he is | `\ married.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147: PYC Repository Directories

2010-02-06 Thread Ben Finney
what is it teaching?” —Nicholas Johnson | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mai

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147: PYC Repository Directories

2010-02-06 Thread Ben Finney
others.” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest: shortDescription, _TextTestResult and other issues

2010-02-09 Thread Ben Finney
t output. -- \ “I do not believe in forgiveness as it is preached by the | `\church. We do not need the forgiveness of God, but of each | _o__)other and of ourselves.” —Robert G. Ingersoll | Ben Finney ___ Py

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

2010-02-09 Thread Ben Finney
n't focussed on unit tests (as contrasted with other kinds of tests). -- \“The industrial system is profoundly dependent on commercial | `\ television and could not exist in its present form without it.” | _o__)—John Kenneth Galbr

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest: shortDescription, _TextTestResult and other issues

2010-02-09 Thread Ben Finney
Michael Foord writes: > On 09/02/2010 21:50, Ben Finney wrote: > > I understood the point of ‘TestCase.shortDescription’, and indeed > > the point of that particular name, was to be clear that some *other* > > text could be the short description for the test case. Indeed, th

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

2010-02-09 Thread Ben Finney
right way to go. -- \ “I object to doing things that computers can do.” —Olin Shivers | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney _

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest: shortDescription, _TextTestResult and other issues

2010-02-11 Thread Ben Finney
ase description, so shouldn't be bolted onto the TestResult description. -- \ Moriarty: “Forty thousand million billion dollars? That money | `\must be worth a fortune!” —The Goon Show, _The Sale of | _o__)

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

2010-02-11 Thread Ben Finney
but this wasn't it.” | `\ —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest: shortDescription, _TextTestResult and other issues

2010-02-11 Thread Ben Finney
he | _o__) easiest person to fool.” —Richard P. Feynman, 1964 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

2010-02-12 Thread Ben Finney
that does *not* share fixtures between tests. -- \ “Following fashion and the status quo is easy. Thinking about | `\your users' lives and creating something practical is much | _o__)harder.” —Ryan Singe

Re: [Python-Dev] Add UTC to 2.7 (PyCon sprint idea)

2010-02-17 Thread Ben Finney
| _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEP 3148] futures - execute computations asynchronously

2010-03-06 Thread Ben Finney
odule name. -- \ “Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as | `\society is free to use the results.” —Richard Stallman | _o__) | Ben Finney ___

Re: [Python-Dev] argparse ugliness

2010-03-08 Thread Ben Finney
,” respond those who don't want | _o__) to learn.” —Richard Stallman, 2002 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147, __pycache__ directories and umask

2010-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
plicity and elegance are unpopular because they require | `\ hard work and discipline to achieve and education to be | _o__)appreciated.” —Edsger W. Dijkstra | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147, __pycache__ directories and umask

2010-03-23 Thread Ben Finney
Matthias Klose writes: > On 23.03.2010 02:28, Ben Finney wrote: > > Perhaps also of note is that the FHS recommends systems use > > ‘/var/cache/foo/’ for cached data from applications: > > > > /var/cache : Application cache data > > > > Purpose

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3147, __pycache__ directories and umask

2010-03-23 Thread Ben Finney
Antoine Pitrou writes: Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:35:43 am Ben Finney wrote: > > > On 23.03.2010 02:28, Ben Finney wrote: > > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html > > > >#VARCACHEAPPLICATIONCACHEDATA

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7b1 and argparse's version action

2010-04-18 Thread Ben Finney
aviour to implement a number of Unix command-line programs, the above all makes more sense for ‘argparse’ in the standard library if we're expecting it to be a smooth upgrade. -- \ “Natural catastrophes are rare, but they come often enough. We | `\ need not force the hand of natur

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7b1 and argparse's version action

2010-04-18 Thread Ben Finney
facts and not descend into hyperbole. -- \“Perchance you who pronounce my sentence are in greater fear | `\ than I who receive it.” —Giordano Bruno, burned at the stake by | _o__) the Catholic church for the heresy of heliocentrism, 1600-02-16 | Ben Finney __

Re: [Python-Dev] What's New text on future maintenance

2010-05-06 Thread Ben Finney
“Religious faith is the one species of human ignorance that | `\ will not admit of even the *possibility* of correction.” —Sam | _o__) Harris, _The End of Faith_, 2004 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list P

Re: [Python-Dev] Unordered tuples/lists

2010-05-18 Thread Ben Finney
I think this discussion belongs on ‘python-ideas’ while the behaviour is still being designed. -- \ “On the internet you simply can't outsource parenting.” —Eliza | `\ Cussen, _Top 10 Internet Filter Lies_, The Punch, 2010-03-25 | _o__)

Re: [Python-Dev] Reasons behind misleading TypeError message when passing the wrong number of arguments to a method

2010-05-20 Thread Ben Finney
ishable from a | `\ feature.” —Rich Kulawiec | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Reasons behind misleading TypeError message when passing the wrong number of arguments to a method

2010-05-20 Thread Ben Finney
Cameron Simpson writes: > On 20May2010 17:46, Ben Finney wrote: > | Would it help if the traceback showed the ‘repr()’ of each of the > | arguments received? That way it would be much clearer when the instance > | was received as the first argument. > > I've occasional

[Python-Dev] [OT] the Kool-Aid Acid Test (was: email package status in 3.X)

2010-06-20 Thread Ben Finney
, which is why I don't like to | _o__) read good books.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.pytho

[Python-Dev] [OT] carping about irritating people (was: bytes / unicode)

2010-06-21 Thread Ben Finney
l keystroke or mouseclick required to make it | _o__) work.” —Carl Ellison | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Python-Dev] FHS compliance of Python installation (was: versioned .so files for Python 3.2)

2010-06-24 Thread Ben Finney
ilesystem Hierarchy Standard compliance” PEP? :-) -- \ “Having sex with Rachel is like going to a concert. She yells a | `\ lot, and throws frisbees around the room; and when she wants | _o__)more, she lights a match.” —Steven

Re: [Python-Dev] Are you ready for Mercurial migration?

2010-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
ith a specific organisation. A barrier that is not present for discussions in this forum. -- \ Lucifer: “Just sign the Contract, sir, and the Piano is yours.” | `\ Ray: “Sheesh! This is long! Mind if I sign it now and read it | _o__)later?” —http://www.achew

Re: [Python-Dev] Licensing

2010-07-05 Thread Ben Finney
nst the GPL, it's simply *false* to claim what Guido did above. Please stop it. -- \“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used | `\ when we created them.” —Albert Einstein | _o__)

Re: [Python-Dev] Licensing

2010-07-06 Thread Ben Finney
-- \ “Following fashion and the status quo is easy. Thinking about | `\your users' lives and creating something practical is much | _o__) harder.” —Ryan Singer, 2008-07-09 | Ben Finney ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Licensing

2010-07-06 Thread Ben Finney
put forth, to correct that falsehood. That's done now; thanks for your attention, all. -- \ “Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the boisterous sea | `\of liberty.” —Thomas Jefferson | _o__)

[Python-Dev] OpenID login for Roundup bug trackers (was: What to do with languishing patches?)

2010-07-20 Thread Ben Finney
Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?” “Well, I think | `\ so, Brain, but first you'd have to take that whole bridge | _o__) apart, wouldn't you?” —_Pinky and The Brain_ | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mai

Re: [Python-Dev] mkdir -p in python

2010-07-21 Thread Ben Finney
me platforms. EEXIST is common to all of them though, AFAIK. -- \ “Sittin' on the fence, that's a dangerous course / You can even | `\ catch a bullet from the peace-keeping force” —Dire Straits, | _o__)

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-dev signal-to-noise processing question

2010-07-22 Thread Ben Finney
itics of who you can trust and why | `\ is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has | _o__) evolved to do.” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mai

Re: [Python-Dev] http://bugs.python.org/issue231540

2010-07-24 Thread Ben Finney
rth is finished. If | `\ you are alive, it isn't.” —Francis Bacon | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://ma

Re: [Python-Dev] barry_as_FLUFL

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Finney
) Carus, c. 40 BCE | Ben Finney pgpzOglxu2OSD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http:/

Re: [Python-Dev] Drive suffix

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Finney
ng for our cause, but by non-participation in | _o__) what we believe is evil.” —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mai

[Python-Dev] os.path function for “get the re al filename” (was: os.path.normcase rationale ?)

2010-09-24 Thread Ben Finney
t as | `\ feared and hated all over the world as the Nazis were.” —Kurt | _o__) Vonnegut, 2004 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyt

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Ben Finney
not the will to believe but the will to find | `\ out, which is the exact opposite.” —Bertrand Russell | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http:

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Ben Finney
"P.J. Eby" writes: > At 11:15 AM 9/27/2010 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > >reST, being designed explicitly for Python documentation, has support > >for PEP references built in: > > You misunderstand me; I wasn't asking how to *add* a link, but how to >

Re: [Python-Dev] Atlassian and bitbucket merge

2010-09-29 Thread Ben Finney
ens to the VCS repositories as possible. -- \“We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't | `\believe in tolerance and free speech.” —David Brin | _o__)

Re: [Python-Dev] Celebrating issue #10000

2010-09-30 Thread Ben Finney
d* allowing administrative control over the software is really valuable. -- \ “It's up to the masses to distribute [music] however they want | `\… The laws don't matter at that point. People sharing music in | _o__) their be

Re: [Python-Dev] MemoryError... how much memory?

2010-10-27 Thread Ben Finney
—Microsoft Vista security dialogue | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] On breaking modules into packages

2010-11-02 Thread Ben Finney
ive explanations are always welcome in science, if | `\ they are better and explain more. Alternative explanations that | _o__) explain nothing are not welcome.” —Victor J. Stenger, 2001-11-05 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] On breaking modules into packages Was: [issue10199] Move Demo/turtle under Lib/

2010-11-02 Thread Ben Finney
nt] representative owes you, not his industry | `\ only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, | _o__)if he sacrifices it to your opinion.” —Edmund Burke, 1774 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] On breaking modules into packages

2010-11-02 Thread Ben Finney
Antoine Pitrou writes: > On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 11:47:55 +1100 > Ben Finney wrote: > > > > > If someone wants to depend on some undocumented detail of the > > > directory layout it's their problem (like people depending on > > > bytecode and other stuff

Re: [Python-Dev] KeyboardInterrupt not catch

2010-11-07 Thread Ben Finney
f it.” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Breaking undocumented API

2010-11-08 Thread Ben Finney
This burden is avoided when using the spelling of the name itself as the indicator for exposure in the API. -- \ “In any great organization it is far, far safer to be wrong | `\ with the majority than to be right alone.” —John Kenneth | _o__)

Re: [Python-Dev] Breaking undocumented API

2010-11-08 Thread Ben Finney
rgument against docstrings, since the problem you describe isn't dependent on the presence or absence of docstrings. -- \ “I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. | `\ There's a knob called ‘brightness’ but it doesn't work.” | _o__

Re: [Python-Dev] Breaking undocumented API

2010-11-16 Thread Ben Finney
s | `\ from the statues that are in all the other museums.” —Steven | _o__) Wright | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Breaking undocumented API

2010-11-17 Thread Ben Finney
the discussion for many days, I'm leaning to this position also. -- \ “I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the | `\death your right to mis-attribute this quote to Voltaire.” | _o__) —Avram Grumer, rec.arts.sf.written, 2000-05-30 | Ben

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Unicode Character Database

2010-11-28 Thread Ben Finney
xisting Python releases. -- \ “Following fashion and the status quo is easy. Thinking about | `\your users' lives and creating something practical is much | _o__) harder.” —Ryan Singer, 2008-07-09 | Ben Finney

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Unicode Character Database

2010-11-28 Thread Ben Finney
passed all the water served here.” | `\ —hotel, Acapulco | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Unicode Character Database

2010-11-30 Thread Ben Finney
external_world) Does that change your assessment of whether non-ASCII digits are used? -- \“The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the | `\ hijacking of morality by religion.” —Arthur C. Clarke, 1991 | _o__)

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Unicode Character Database

2010-11-30 Thread Ben Finney
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > Am 30.11.2010 21:24, schrieb Ben Finney: > > The string need not be a literal in the program; it can be input to > > the program. > > > > num = float(input_from_the_external_world) > > > > Does that change your as

Re: [Python-Dev] Python and the Unicode Character Database

2010-12-01 Thread Ben Finney
ngs first, but not necessarily in that order.” —The | `\ Doctor, _Doctor Who_ | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of PEP 3143?

2010-12-08 Thread Ben Finney
line pilot. I got fired because I kept | `\ locking the keys in the plane. They caught me on an 80 foot | _o__)stepladder with a coathanger.” —Steven Wright | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of PEP 3143?

2010-12-11 Thread Ben Finney
Benjamin Peterson writes: > 2010/12/8 Ben Finney : > > So it's not abandoned, but I don't know which version should be the > > current target. What change should I make to the PEP in such a case? > > Put 3.3 or 3.x if you're thinking really long term. :) Done

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of PEP 3143?

2010-12-11 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney writes: > Done now (http://svn.python.org/projects/peps/trunk/>, revision > 87170). Thanks to Georg Brandl for applying the change on my behalf. -- \ “As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, | `\the Internet deserves the highest protec

Re: [Python-Dev] Approach for constructing Global Variables for Python

2011-01-13 Thread Ben Finney
_The Age of Uncertainty_, | _o__) 1977 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org

[Python-Dev] Avoiding whitespace conflicts (was: I am now lost - committed, pulled, merged, what is "collapse"?)

2011-03-19 Thread Ben Finney
oint. -- \ “For fast acting relief, try slowing down.” —Jane Wagner, via | `\ Lily Tomlin | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP and reference implementation of a Python launcher for Windows

2011-03-20 Thread Ben Finney
rdens, about as big as an average golf | _o__) course.” —Geoffrey Robertson, 2010-09-18 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-21 Thread Ben Finney
l. -- \ “The best mind-altering drug is truth.” —Jane Wagner, via Lily | `\Tomlin | _o__) | Ben Finney pgpJwi4AZxO8c.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-21 Thread Ben Finney
Lily Tomlin, 1985 | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
d of their believers' feelings.” —Richard | _o__) Stallman | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
Guido van Rossum writes: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney > wrote: > > Surely a forum specifically for mentorship will be more useful if > > outsiders can be directed to existing discussions, without needing to > > join the private club. > > This argu

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
you can encourage more people to quickly become confident enough to discuss their Python issues in public. -- \ 德不孤、必有鄰。 (The virtuous are not abandoned, | `\ they shall surely have neighbours.) | _o__) —孔夫子 Confucius

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
“Spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.” —Bill | `\ Gates, 2004-01-24 | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-27 Thread Ben Finney
ability. And all of that without ever having to re-write history – nor even choose what valuable information to lose. -- \ “The way to build large Python applications is to componentize | `\ and loosely-couple the hell out of everything.” —Aahz | _o__)

Re: [Python-Dev] Hg: inter-branch workflow

2011-03-28 Thread Ben Finney
-- \ “My interest is in the future, as I am going to spend the rest | `\ of my life there.” —Charles F. Kettering | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing lis

[Python-Dev] Differences among Emacsen (was: utf-8 encoding in checkins?)

2011-03-29 Thread Ben Finney
doesn't work by | `\authority.” —Richard Dawkins, _Big Mistake_ (The Guardian, | _o__) 2006-12-27) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 396, Module Version Numbers

2011-04-09 Thread Ben Finney
Carlin | _o__) | Ben Finney pgpBsxkgUpVwk.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 396, Module Version Numbers

2011-04-10 Thread Ben Finney
"P.J. Eby" writes: > At 03:24 PM 4/10/2011 +, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: > >On 04:02 am, p...@telecommunity.com wrote: > >>At 08:52 AM 4/10/2011 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > >>>This is an often-overlooked case, I think. The unspoken assumpt

[Python-Dev] Adding test case methods to TestCase subclasses (was: python and super)

2011-04-14 Thread Ben Finney
troke or mouseclick required to make it | _o__) work.” —Carl Ellison | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding test case methods to TestCase subclasses

2011-04-15 Thread Ben Finney
Ethan Furman writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > TestCase subclasses is a multiple-inheritance use case that I share. > > The mix-ins add test cases (methods named ‘test_’ on the mix-in > > class) to the TestCase subclass. I would prefer not to use multiple > > inheri

Re: [Python-Dev] Not-a-Number

2011-04-28 Thread Ben Finney
consciousness of the marvelous to be ever | `\ fascinated by the mere supernatural …” —Joseph Conrad, _The | _o__) Shadow-Line_ | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org h

Re: [Python-Dev] Not-a-Number

2011-04-28 Thread Ben Finney
stinguishing one | `\ bitstream from another in order to figure out which rules | _o__) apply.” —Eben Moglen, _Anarchism Triumphant_, 1999 | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/li

Re: [Python-Dev] Not-a-Number

2011-04-29 Thread Ben Finney
elief we developed language because of our deep inner | `\ need to complain.” —Jane Wagner, via Lily Tomlin | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@pyt

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: Add rules for indenting continuation lines.

2011-06-02 Thread Ben Finney
ine to achieve and education to be | _o__) appreciated.” —Edsger W. Dijkstra | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue10403 - using 'attributes' instead of members in documentation

2011-06-27 Thread Ben Finney
the person learning Python. -- \ “‘Did you sleep well?’ ‘No, I made a couple of mistakes.’” | `\ —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue10403 - using 'attributes' instead of members in documentation

2011-06-27 Thread Ben Finney
Eric Snow writes: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Ben Finney > wrote: > > "callable attributes" describes exactly what they are, in terms that > > will remain useful to the person learning Python. > > The usage of the object determines what we call

[Python-Dev] Indentation in reStructuredText documents (was: [Python-checkins] peps: Restore whitespace characters lost via email transmission.)

2011-07-20 Thread Ben Finney
rrounded.’” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mai

Re: [Python-Dev] hard linking executables

2011-07-27 Thread Ben Finney
en.” —Mark | `\Twain, _Following the Equator_ | _o__) | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listin

Re: [Python-Dev] hard linking executables

2011-07-27 Thread Ben Finney
Dan Stromberg writes: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > > Dan Stromberg writes: > > > > > It's been suggested that […] if people had added symlinks first, > > > no one would've bothered adding hardlinks. > > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.2): Stop ignoring Mercurial merge conflits files (#12255).

2011-07-29 Thread Ben Finney
ically regenerated at will), so can safely be ignored. -- \ “When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. | `\Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole | _o__) one and aske

Re: [Python-Dev] how to easily consume just the parts of eggs that are good for you

2008-04-08 Thread Ben Finney
esires makes a wise and | _o__) happy purchase." -- J. Balguy | Ben Finney ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] how to easily consume just the parts of eggs that are good for you

2008-04-09 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] shal we redefine "module" and "package"?

2008-04-30 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
Antoine Pitrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes: > > That would better be written (preferring PEP 8 names) > > "fail_unless_equal". > > Which is still a double negative ("fail" and "unless" are both &

[Python-Dev] PEP 8 conformance of unittest (was: unittest's redundant assertions: asserts vs. failIf/Unlesses)

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 conformance of unittest

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Finney
t;, but I can see *both* those names as "the obvious way to do it". Is this an instance where the "preferably" clause must be exercised in the negative? -- \ “Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an | `\ affirmation, but as a q

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > The problem is, that makes it quite inconsistent with other "not" > > uses (such as "assert_not_equal", "assert_not_in", etc.) I would > > really prefer that all these "n

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
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Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > and so on; i.e. that 'assert_is_not' breaks the obvious pattern > > set by the others, in the interest of matching Python's 'is not' > > grammar. > > Well, I'd have sai

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed unittest changes

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Finney
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