We're coming down to the wire on _Python for Dummies_, and I'm trying to
persuade the publisher to stick a blurb about SQLite on the cover, but my
last understanding was that there was a small chance we might pull SQLite
for insufficient docs. Is that still true?
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might need a pronunciation.
This should certainly get fixed in 3.0 thanks to __index__
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on't feel too sorry -- I read that as British irony for "yes, I'm the
author". (As in, "I'm sitting in the same room as the author, and
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There was also discussion of a change to the way "quit" works in
interactive mode. I see no record of it, so I guess that's not going in,
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On Fri, Jun 09, 2006, Paul Moore wrote:
> On 6/9/06, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> There was also discussion of a change to the way "quit" works in
>> interactive mode. I see no record of it, so I guess that's not going in,
>> either.
&g
to double-check all our 2.5 claims
for Python for Dummies (and my co-author only uses a Mac).
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st that I care about).
>
> [1] http://tinyurl.com/j4a6n
When providing links to SF, please use the python.org tinyurl equivalent
to ensure that people can easily see the bug/patch number:
http://www.python.org/sf?id=1504333
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zipfile). This should be harmless, I couldn't come
> up with a usecase other then reimplementing the read method outside
> of zipfile.
Not knowing anything about this, why not implement file_offset as a
property?
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relatively narrow corner case and should find another way to get what
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s it using RTLD_GLOBAL. An ugly hack, I know,
> but it works for me. Maybe there are other users with this problem and
> they can use this.
Because of the upcoming beta for 2.5, you are not likely to get much
attention right now. Please make a SourceForge patch so that we can
track this l
Did we make a final decision about whether the canonical location for
ElementTree should be xml or xmlcore? Also, there's no ElementTree or
xmlcore that I can find at http://docs.python.org/dev/ under global
module index or library reference.
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ands what
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Incidentally, your posts will go directly to python-dev without
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ories, they can add a new warning
filter on program startup. Your users will have to upgrade to a new
version of the application or do a similar fix in their own
sitecustomize. I don't consider that a huge burden.
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Phillip's point about longs and Unicode is valid, but easily addressed by
limiting cases to "hashable literal" (though we might want to explicitly
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Has anyone else tried doing an admin install with "compile .py files"
checked? It's causing my install to blow up, but I'd prefer to assume
it's some weird Windows config/bug unless other people also have it, in
which case I'll file an SF repo
-m. Is this
> actually a problem, or is it a new feature?
Well, yes, considering that cd'ing to the module's dir and doing "python
module.py" will now fail.
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eeling about this issue, though I'm a mild -0 on allowing it.
Nobody can claim there wasn't notice about the beta release date and the
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le. That's much more
> likely to happen; I can't be the only one who will have this issue.
Oo! Yuck! I am now +1 for reverting the warning.
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on-C implementation of Decimal might look
closer to, take a look at the Python long implementation.
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On Mon, Jun 26, 2006, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
> Aahz wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone else tried doing an admin install with "compile .py files"
>> checked? It's causing my install to blow up, but I'd prefer to assume
>> it's some weird Wi
> Of course, someone still has to step forward and offer to code it.
...and document and maintain it. That's always been the sticky part,
along with the requirement that this degrade gracefully when the
platform-specific code doesn't exist.
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2005, lode leroy wrote:
>
> I was trying to compile a python plugin (for gimp) using the MSYS
> shell and the MINGW compiler.
python-dev is the wrong place for this question; please start with
comp.lang.python (or find another suitable place).
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Welcome! Your English is just fine. If you haven't yet, take a look at
http://www.python.org/dev/
Pay particular attention to "Why Develop Python?" and "Intro to
because I don't use sets much -- I'm still mired in
Python 2.2 -- but I'm always happy to see inconsistencies resolved)
I'll guess that Raymond will probably want 2.5 to have set.union_update()
get a PendingDeprecationWarning.
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on this unless you do post a patch. It passes the smell test of
not being horribly unPythonic, if that's what you want to know. Note
that you're likely to be required to add a new function with this
feature, but that can be argued later.
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; Could it be we missed the explanation of each rounding mode in the
> Decimal docs? Or the sprints burned my head?
My suspicion is that someone at some point thought that Cowlishaw was
sufficient; we probably should write some base-level docs that explain
the Python mechanisms and refer
On Fri, Jul 01, 2005, Facundo Batista wrote:
> On 7/1/05, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> My suspicion is that someone at some point thought that Cowlishaw was
>> sufficient; we probably should write some base-level docs that explain
>> the Python mech
s to a Python newcomer I get that
> skeptic look. How about this for a change?
>
> class grouping:
>
> def __init__(self, .x, .y, .z):
> pass
This is off-topic for python-dev. Please take it to comp.lang.python.
(It's not immediately obvious that this is off-
(or perhaps a Financial
package) and just create the Currency module within it for now. Anyway,
given that this isn't going to be a real PEP any time soon, please
restrict the discussion to comp.lang.python. Thanks for your help
keeping python-dev clutter-free. ;-)
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ion", "exits", "exception". If we care, I guess "leave" is okay.
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nd __exit__ magic methods? We want something
> as direct as, "xrange objects are iterable".
How about "decimal.Context() objects are managed resources" or "...have
guarded scopes"? (I'm not terribly wild about either, but they are
fairly simple and direct.)
-
Nothing to say, just keep up the good work! I hope the triple-team
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On Tue, Jul 05, 2005, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
> Aahz wrote:
>>Martin removed the attribution here:
>>>
>>>I was trying to compile a python plugin (for gimp) using the MSYS
>>>shell and the MINGW compiler.
>>
>> python-dev is the wro
(e.g. an else clause :) was available.
That's what I use try/except for. ;-)
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ress as an anti-spam measure. But
it's always polite to include "yes, this is a real address" or similar in
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On Sun, Jul 24, 2005, Chuck Robey wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get Python installed on a Zaurus, running OpenBSD.
While python-dev can be a good place to get questions like this
answered, many more people read comp.lang.python, and you should ask
there, too.
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>> output).
>
> It depends. In my use of svn, I do a lot of cross-branch merging and
> repo-side tagging. Those are done with urls and in those cases, long
> urls can suck. But we may not do a ton of that with the Python project,
> and besides it might not be important e
s closer to the existing 2.4
> structure:
Based on skimming (not close examination): +1
We can probably quibble about bits, but I agree that a Grand Restructure
should be avoided.
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The way to build large Pytho
off on some the proposed changes, I do think the basic
> spirit of it is correct.
My take is that for Python 3.0, backwards compatibility is no longer a
critical priority -- but any breakage still needs to be argued for and
balanced. We want to avoid unnecessary breakage.
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nthony Baxter made the point that pdb is currently one of the
more unPythonic modules. If you're feeling a lot of energy about this,
rewriting pdb might be more productive.
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The way to build large Python applic
erience to Perforce is as straightforward.
The impression I got from Alex Martelli is that it's not particularly
straightforward. (Google apparently uses Perforce.)
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The way to build large Python applications is to componen
y that. We'd need a strong
incentive to consider Perforce over Subversion just because of that
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The way to build large Python applications is to componentize and
loo
Also, it wouldn't tie a language feature to the name of an MS
>> product.
>
> I can compromise to this if others prefer this alternative. Anybody
> else have an opinion?
Googling for "windowserror python" produces 800 hits. So yes, it does
seem to be widely used. I
tegories. We agreed upon a
> new "Process" PEP type. For more information, please see PEP 1
> (http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0001.html) -- the type of which has
> also been changed to Process.
Go ahead and make PEP 6 a Process PEP.
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2005, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote:
> Aahz wrote:
>>Barry:
>>>Martin:
>>>>
>>>>Host pythondev
>>>> Hostname dinsdale.python.org
>>>> User pythondev
>>>> IdentityFile ~/.ssh/pythondev
>>>
ls for Python 3.0 was that single-line blocks
would be banned. Is my memory wrong?
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nswer.
Because this is about the future of Jython, it's entirely appropriate
for discussion here -- python-dev is *NOT* just for CPython. (It's
similar to questions about porting.) As long as people ask questions of
the appropriate level, that is.
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> *bad* name - just don't think it's a particularly *obvious* name.
It's at least as obvious as translate().
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cked up by a variety of
> side-by-side comparisons using real-world code samples.
>
> I'm sure there are plenty more if these in the archives.
Nice! Also a pointer to the Zen of Python.
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The way
asses go
> away in Py3.0).
You can already do
__metaclass__ = type
within each module
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The way to build large Python applications is to componentize and
l
s? How about functions? Is there a significant cost to putting a
> function def inside a loop rather than outside?
This question is about using Python, not improving/fixing Python; please
use comp.lang.python (python-list) for these kinds of questions and do
not cc python-dev.
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While I'm in philosophical agreement with Raymond, it's also true that my
current company's code is littered with constructs like yours. So I have
to say that it woul
r, I'm
somewhere between +0 and +1 on doing another release candidate. OTOH,
doing a brownbag 2.4.3 won't kill us, and few people will use a release
candidate instead of waiting. Still your call.
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The wa
f C's ternary.
I'm +0 on requiring parentheses precisely because they're annoying. I'm
still expecting simple boolean expressions to be the primary use case,
and my hunch is that overall Python code will read better with the
ternary looking clu
ease move this thread to comp.lang.python.
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n to
follow some rules about sharing data. But it's certainly true that
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2005, Michael Chermside wrote:
> Guido says:
>> Aahz writes:
>>>
>>> (Python 3.0 should "deprecate" ``thread`` by renaming it to ``_thread``).
>>
>> +1. (We could even start doing this before 3.0.)
>
> Before 3.0, let
On Wed, Oct 12, 2005, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On 10/12/05, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Note carefully the deprecation in quotes. It's not going to be
>> literally deprecated, only renamed, similar to the way _socket and
>> socket work together. W
Queues are generally multi-producer, single-consumer
> objects. It makes sense for a thread to have an inbox. I'm not so
> sure about an outbox.)
If you look at my thread tutorial, the spider thread pool uses a
single-producer, multiple-consumer queue to feed URLs to th
to a well-designed block structure later on. The one niggle I have
is that it's going to be a little unwieldy to explain, but people who
create properties really ought to understand Python well enough to deal
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Error is going to be what the internal machinery raises, and I
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oes anybody know how to do this nicely? Is there an
> easy form that allows me to do this?
This should go on comp.lang.python. Thanks.
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it has been 10/100 seconds since that undrawn event happened,
> redraw. Tune that 10 up/down to alter responsiveness characteristics.
...and that's exactly what my sample threaded GUI application does.
Can we please move this thread to comp.lang.python?
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While cleaning up some old CDs, I discovered that I had received some
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iour - it just ought to be documented.)
Please submit a doc patch to SF (or even just a bug report if you don't
have time). The patch may be plain text or reST; no need for Latex.
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gainst to those rules. I see no reason to change now just
> to be more Java-like.
+1
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ace to start discussions like this; please use
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e to know because I'm writing a book, but that's not
reason enough to stick with python-dev. ;-)
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rly lists, tuples, and strings are
sequences; clearly dicts are a mapping; the question is whether sets get
tossed in with dicts. Overall, I think it's pretty clear that the answer
is "no", particularly given that sets don't support __getitem__().
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anyone ever tried doing that from the top? There's more than 18GB of
stuff, and it never actually completes. (I'm mostly mentioning this as
FYI/FYA -- I'm doing it to exercise my new computer.)
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use for a list collection type.
Please take this to comp.lang.python
Side note: nobody AFAICT has suggested that you drop this -- only that
getting a built-in is extremely unlikely.
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),
[...]
| Note: open() is an alias for file().
This is confusing. I suggest that we make ``open()`` a factory function
right now. (I'll submit a bug report (and possibly a patch) after I get
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s more clearly in the computer program. Right now, I cringe,
> and then I just shrug.
Why don't you just write your own list type? Why does this need to go
into Python? Why should it be one of the builtin types instead of a
library?
Please answer these questions on comp.lang.python, NOT
rks, submit a patch, and post here again with the SF number.
Note that since your tunable parameter is presumably accessible from
Python code, you'll also need to submit doc patches and tests to verify
that it's working correctly.
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quot;, "credits" or "license" for more information.
Let's add another line that says
Type "quit()" to exit
Defining it as "def quit(): raise SystemExit" should be fine.
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On Wed, Dec 28, 2005, Brett Cannon wrote:
> On 12/28/05, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Here's yet a different take on this: why not simply change the startup
>> message? Whether we choose "quit" or "exit", someone will get it wrong
>&
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
> In the mean time I'm a strong believer in "it ain't broke so don't fix
> it" here.
Does that also include my suggestion about improving the startup message?
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of C programming skill, this PEP was extremely readable and
well-organized. Nice job!
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Please use
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still bypasses the subclass functions and
> uses the C API for global environments. The attached patch (and
> unittest!) addresses this issue.
Please submit the patch to SourceForge and report back with the SF ID.
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you please confirm if this is a bug ?
Regardless of whether you get any other responses, please go ahead and
file a SourceForge bug report so that we don't lose track of this.
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