Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread Vinay Sajip
Donald Stufft gmail.com> writes: > This is insane. A fairly simple database query is going to "grind the PyPI > servers into dust"?  You're going to need to back up this FUD or please > refrain from spouting it. Never mind the "Obsoletes" information - even the more useful "Requires-Dist" inform

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread Donald Stufft
On Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Donald Stufft gmail.com (http://gmail.com)> writes: > > Never mind the "Obsoletes" information - even the more useful "Requires-Dist" > information is not exposed via PyPI, even though it appears to be stored in > the > database. (Or

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread Daniel Holth
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Donald Stufft wrote: > On Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > > Donald Stufft gmail.com> writes: > > Never mind the "Obsoletes" information - even the more useful > "Requires-Dist" > information is not exposed via PyPI, even though it appear

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread Vinay Sajip
Daniel Holth gmail.com> writes: > The wheel implementation makes sure all the metadata (the .dist-info > directory) > is at the end of the .zip archive. It's possible to read the metadata with a > single HTTP partial request for the end of the archive without downloading the > entire archive. S

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread Daniel Holth
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Daniel Holth gmail.com> writes: > > > The wheel implementation makes sure all the metadata (the .dist-info > directory) > > is at the end of the .zip archive. It's possible to read the metadata > with a > > single HTTP partial request for the

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 6 Dec, 2012, at 15:58, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Daniel Holth gmail.com> writes: > >> The wheel implementation makes sure all the metadata (the .dist-info >> directory) >> is at the end of the .zip archive. It's possible to read the metadata with a >> single HTTP partial request for the end of

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread Vinay Sajip
Daniel Holth gmail.com> writes: > You have to make a maximum of 3 requests: one for the directory pointer, one > for the directory, and one for the file you want. It's not particularly > difficult to make an HTTP-backed seekable file object to pass to ZipFile() for > this purpose but I don't have

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread Daniel Holth
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Daniel Holth gmail.com> writes: > > > You have to make a maximum of 3 requests: one for the directory pointer, > one > > for the directory, and one for the file you want. It's not particularly > > difficult to make an HTTP-backed seekable file

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread PJ Eby
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Daniel Holth wrote: > It will be Obsoleted-By:. The "drop in replacement" requirement will be > removed. The package manager will say "you are using these obsolete > packages; check out these non-obsolete ones" but will not automatically pull > the replacement witho

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread PJ Eby
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Daniel Holth gmail.com> writes: > >> The wheel implementation makes sure all the metadata (the .dist-info >> directory) >> is at the end of the .zip archive. It's possible to read the metadata with a >> single HTTP partial request for the end

Re: [Python-Dev] Keyword meanings [was: Accept just PEP-0426]

2012-12-06 Thread PJ Eby
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 07:34:41PM -0500, PJ Eby wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Donald Stufft >> wrote: >> >> Nobody has actually proposed a better one, outside of package renaming >> -- and that example featured an author who c