Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steven D'Aprano writes: > I don't think anyone has ever suggested change for change's sake. If > they have, I'd love to read the PEP for it. Not to mention the BDFL's pronouncement message! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mai

[Python-Dev] It is always loo late (Was: Relative imports in Py3k)

2010-10-13 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:22 AM, R. David Murray wrote: >> >> I don't see why such awkward way should be necessary in Python 3k, >> which breaks backwards compatibility. Why it can't "just work" for my >> user story? > > Because you weren't around advocating and implementing a change when > Python

Re: [Python-Dev] It is always loo late (Was: Relative imports in Py3k)

2010-10-13 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:55:03 +0300 anatoly techtonik wrote: > > Is there a public list of annoyances for Python 3 that I can check to > see if my change is already scheduled for Python 4 and vote for it? No, there isn't. If you want to know what Python 3 is about, you can : - read the docs - rea

Re: [Python-Dev] sad state of OS X Python testing...

2010-10-13 Thread Bill Janssen
Sorry to drop out like that -- I've been having some email issues. Stephen, great job; thanks for providing that Snow Leopard buildbot. I think what we're missing now is an Intel Leopard buildbot. 35% of Mac users are still running Leopard. I'm running it myself on some machines, due to the NIS

[Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I have appointed Antoine Pitrou as the authority/manager for which build slave are considered stable. If you want to get a certain slave elevated or demoted, you have to convince him. I would also like to ask release managers to take the stable list serious: test failures in a stable slave should

Re: [Python-Dev] sad state of OS X Python testing...

2010-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> And, of course, we'd like to get some of these Mac buildbots into the > "stable" category, so that they are consulted for releases. The > PPC Leopard and x86 Snow Leopard buildbots look like good candidates. See the message I just sent: you need to convince Antoine, and he'll arrange it. Regar

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:55:21 +0200 "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > I have appointed Antoine Pitrou as the authority/manager > for which build slave are considered stable. If you want > to get a certain slave elevated or demoted, you have to > convince him. Thank you Martin! I've added a couple of buil

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Stephen Hansen
On 10/13/10 2:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > (you'll notice that we have currently no 64-bit Windows machine although > 64-bit support under Windows has specific issues) Provided its not a problem that its a VM, I have a hefty 64-bit Win7 Professional instance that I can put a buildslave on. Despi

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 14.10.2010 00:08, schrieb Stephen Hansen: > On 10/13/10 2:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> (you'll notice that we have currently no 64-bit Windows machine although >> 64-bit support under Windows has specific issues) > > Provided its not a problem that its a VM, I have a hefty 64-bit Win7 > Prof

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:08:24 -0700 Stephen Hansen wrote: > On 10/13/10 2:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > (you'll notice that we have currently no 64-bit Windows machine although > > 64-bit support under Windows has specific issues) > > Provided its not a problem that its a VM, I have a hefty 64-

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Stephen Hansen
On 10/13/10 3:14 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Am 14.10.2010 00:08, schrieb Stephen Hansen: >> On 10/13/10 2:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>> (you'll notice that we have currently no 64-bit Windows machine although >>> 64-bit support under Windows has specific issues) >> >> Provided its not a prob

Re: [Python-Dev] Add aware local time support to datetime module

2010-10-13 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
It looks like this response has slipped under my radar. Sorry. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: [skipped description of two alternative solutions] .. > For all of the reasons you give above, I think it's a bad idea. :-) > I did not give any reason for not having access to t

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I'll give it a go; I have all the software needed to run the buildbot on > it already besides VC Express, which I'm installing now. If ultimately > it becomes too much of a pain, I'll go back to just providing the mac. > But, I actually have a vested interest in upgrading our Python to 64-bit > i

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Stephen Hansen
On 10/13/10 3:42 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> I'll give it a go; I have all the software needed to run the buildbot on >> it already besides VC Express, which I'm installing now. If ultimately >> it becomes too much of a pain, I'll go back to just providing the mac. >> But, I actually have a ves

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 17:42, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > I'll give it a go; I have all the software needed to run the buildbot on > > it already besides VC Express, which I'm installing now. If ultimately > > it becomes too much of a pain, I'll go back to just providing the mac. > > But, I act

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread David Bolen
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > Please be aware that Windows poses its own challenges. Often, builds > or testsuite runs end up with popup windows, which then hang subsequent > builds. You often get dozens of them to click away. So operating a > Windows slave is much more tedious than a Unix one. Fo

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20101014 00:55], Brian Curtin (brian.cur...@gmail.com) wrote: >Correct. There are a few hacky ways to get Express to use the x64 SDK, or so I >read. I think Martin meant that you wouldn't need VS Express if you install the Windows SDK, since it provides all the tools in the SDK to build Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Stephen Hansen
On 10/13/10 10:28 PM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > -On [20101014 00:55], Brian Curtin (brian.cur...@gmail.com) wrote: >> Correct. There are a few hacky ways to get Express to use the x64 SDK, or so >> I >> read. > > I think Martin meant that you wouldn't need VS Express if you install t

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-13 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 13.10.2010 22:55, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > I have appointed Antoine Pitrou as the authority/manager > for which build slave are considered stable. If you want > to get a certain slave elevated or demoted, you have to > convince him. > > I would also like to ask release managers to take the