David Lyon wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:14:54 +0100, "Martin v. Löwis"
> wrote:
>
>> http://pycheesecake.org/
>
> Ok, so what is the current status on it?
Not sure; you would have to ask Grig. Apparently, there is a service
running somewhere that computes cheesecake data for PyPI packages;
i
"Martin v. Löwis" writes:
> > Why can't we just disable it until we can come up with a better
> > system that finds a balance between the rights of maintainers, and
> > those of the user?
>
> Because I want to wait for the outcome of the poll first.
There's a problem with the poll's placement: o
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
...
> Frankly, I agree with him. As implemented, I *and others* think this
> is broken. I've taken the stance of not publishing things to PyPi
> until A> I find the time to contribute to make it better or B> It
> changes.
Ditto, but maybe for d
Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes:
>
> There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the
> PyPI website.
Speaking of which, why is it that http://pypi.python.org/pypi and
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ (note the ending slash) return different contents
(the latter being very vo
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:27:47 +0100, "Martin v. Löwis"
wrote:
> Not sure; you would have to ask Grig. Apparently, there is a service
> running somewhere that computes cheesecake data for PyPI packages;
> it also sends them to PyPI. People have expressed to concerns that any
> kind of ranking based
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> "Martin v. Löwis" writes:
>
>> > Why can't we just disable it until we can come up with a better
>> > system that finds a balance between the rights of maintainers, and
>> > those of the user?
>>
>> Because I want to wait for the outcome of th
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:44:42AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the
> PyPI website.
I've posted a tweet to the ThePSF account about the poll. If the poll
runs for a week or two, that would provide time for word of the poll
to propaga
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes:
> >
> > There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the
> > PyPI website.
>
> Speaking of which, why is it that http://pypi.python.org/pypi and
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ (note
Michael Sparks writes:
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Ben Finney
> wrote:
> > So, the poll's audience is limited to those who visit the front page
> > (which is hardly ever necessary for package maintainers), and those
> > who already know it exists (e.g. through this discussion thread).
>
2009/11/11 "Martin v. Löwis" :
>> I was wondering what's the status of PEP 382. Is anyone (MvL?) is
>> going to start to work on its implementation for Python 2.7/3.2
>> inclusion ?
>
> I'll be working on an implementation, but contributions are welcome.
> Unfortunately, I'm really short on free so
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:44:42AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the
PyPI website.
I've posted a tweet to the ThePSF account about the poll. If the poll
runs for a week or two, that would provide time for word o
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Michael Sparks wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Ben Finney
> wrote:
>> "Martin v. Löwis" writes:
>>
Why can't we just disable it until we can come up with a better
system that finds a balance between the rights of maintainers, an
2009/11/12 Guido van Rossum :
> If you were to ask me, the people arguing against ratings and user
> comments are fighting a losing battle. If they had an iPhone or
> Android phone (or some other device with an "app store" kind of place
> to find downloads) they'd know the value (for prospective do
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> Because I want to wait for the outcome of the poll first.
I'm curious: what criteria will you use to judge the outcome of the
poll? That is, how will you translate the results of the poll into
action? Right now, the results stand as
All
mode = "python-dev reader"
Please excuse me if I'm wrong here,
but I think python-dev just isn't the right place to discuss this topic,
because it's about 3rd party packages and it's got nothing to do with
the development *of the python language itself*, but generated a lot of
traffic.
mode =
Jacob Kaplan-Moss writes:
> If the poll ended this moment, how would you judge? Would it just be
> mob rule (no comments)? […]
Even though that's my preferred option, I *don't* want it chosen on the
basis of a poll result, but on the basis of evidence and reasoned
argument.
> On a deeper level,
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:54:24 am Guido van Rossum wrote:
> I agree that creating a good social app is not easy, and if we can't
> improve the social app embedded in PyPI quickly enough, we should at
> least give authors the option to disable comments. Of course, as a
> user, I might not trust a mod
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:54:24 am Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
> > I agree that creating a good social app is not easy, and if we can't
> > improve the social app embedded in PyPI quickly enough, we should at
> > least give authors the option to disable comments. Of course, a
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:27:48 am Ludvig Ericson wrote:
> On 12 nov 2009, at 14:38, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:44:32 pm Ludvig Ericson wrote:
> >> Why are there comments on PyPI? Moreso, why are there comments
> >> which I cannot control as a package author on my very own
> >>
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:42:37 am Terry Reedy wrote:
> Part of the pypi problem is a startup problem of initially low
> numbers. If the only people who bother to log in to rate are the
> disgruntled, then the ratings/reviews will be biased.
The package author who started this thread, Ludvig Ericson,
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> In my opinion, the community is best served by a good comment/review
> system, one which avoids the worst trolling, and allows authors the
> right of reply, but does not allow authors to censor inconvenient but
> honest reviews.
I think you're right.
I also think,
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:54:50 am Ben Finney wrote:
> "Martin v. Löwis" writes:
> > PyPI is not just (and perhaps not even primarily) there for the
> > package authors, but for the package users (and not surprisingly,
> > it's primarily the package authors who ask for banning the user
> > opinions).
> There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the
> PyPI website.
You really should participate in the proper forum for the discussion of
PyPI: catalog-sig. Then you would have noticed that I said I'll announce
the poll later (i.e. today), which I'm doing right now.
Feel fre
On Nov 12, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM, "Martin v. Löwis"
wrote:
I am not an expert, I am just another python learner. These are
just my
views on the state of the standard libraries and to
make them state-of-the-art..! ;)
If I understand correct
> Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes:
>> There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the
>> PyPI website.
>
> Speaking of which, why is it that http://pypi.python.org/pypi and
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ (note the ending slash) return different contents
> (the latter bein
> I only found the poll by accident by wondering randomly what might
> change if I hit the login using open id button. So you can only vote
> in the poll if you a) get told about it b) realise you need to create
> an account to login and use in order to vote. I realise there's good
> reasons for th
>> I've posted a tweet to the ThePSF account about the poll. If the poll
>> runs for a week or two, that would provide time for word of the poll
>> to propagate through Twitter, blogs, etc.
>
> You should also make an announcement on python-announce.
On catalog-sig (the place where PyPI was disc
> That's useful from a user perspective. Or is it? It's useful from a
> user perspective, until that issue is fixed. Then what? Is it still
> useful? Can the commenter remove it?
Yes.
> Can they get notified it's changed?
Yes.
> Can the maintainer say "this is fixed/changed?"
Yes.
> I never l
> mode = "python-dev reader"
>
> Please excuse me if I'm wrong here,
> but I think python-dev just isn't the right place to discuss this topic,
> because it's about 3rd party packages and it's got nothing to do with
> the development *of the python language itself*, but generated a lot of
> traffi
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