Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools in 2.5.

2006-04-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 19:43 -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote: > >I may be way out of date with the state of the art these days, but in > >the past, I've had a difficult time making this work for Mailman. For > >example, at various times we've had to distribute our own email package > >and Asian codecs

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools in 2.5.

2006-04-20 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 11:08 PM 4/20/2006 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: >Question out of total ignorance: say I get a 3rd party package that has >a standard distutils setup.py but knows nothing of setuptools. Say I >install my own copy of setuptools (or have Python 2.5). Can that 3rd >party package still be installed "

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools in 2.5.

2006-04-20 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:18 AM 4/21/2006 +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote: >So instead, they ask the setuptool users to use >python -c "import setuptools; execfile('setup.py')" install >That's just too bad, and much more confusing than setup.py install_egg ! Actually, the setuptools users just run "easy_install matplo

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools in 2.5.

2006-04-20 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Friday 21 April 2006 03:31, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Maybe they know something we don't. > > oh, please. it's not like people like myself and MAL don't know > anything about package distribution... > > (why is it that people who *don't* distribute stuff are a lot more

[Python-Dev] Weekly Python Patch/Bug Summary

2006-04-20 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Patch / Bug Summary ___ Patches : 371 open (-12) / 3195 closed (+39) / 3566 total (+27) Bugs: 908 open (+22) / 5767 closed ( +8) / 6675 total (+30) RFE : 211 open ( +1) / 212 closed ( +0) / 423 total ( +1) New / Reopened Patches __ Fix test_

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools in 2.5.

2006-04-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
Thanks for all the great information Phillip. On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 23:33 -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote: > Anyway, that's a complete digression from the question you asked. As long > as Mailman doesn't depend on building something like Numeric or Twisted, > you can probably wrap it in easy_insta

Re: [Python-Dev] python 2.5alpha and naming schemes

2006-04-20 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Dennis Heuer wrote: > Module names > like hashlib are not python-like too (too c/lowlevel-like). I agree with Greg: hashlib is a Pythonic name for a module, just like httplib, mhlib, xmlrpclib, cookielib, contextlib, difflib, ... OTOH, it might be indeed that the ctypes name need to be aligned wi

Re: [Python-Dev] magic in setuptools (Was: setuptools in the stdlib)

2006-04-20 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 20-apr-2006, at 23:08, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> As far as I understand the issues they compete up to a point, but >> should >> also make it easier to create platform packages that contain >> proper the >> proper dependencies because those are part of machine-reada

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