Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_*

2009-03-28 Thread Fred Drake
On Mar 28, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Eric Smith wrote: To be concrete, I think distutils should support (among other things): - entry points for plugins - entry points as used for producing console and windowed "scripts" This strikes me as a nice-to-have, but: 1. I don't think they're two distinct fea

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_*

2009-03-28 Thread David Cournapeau
2009/3/29 Stephen J. Turnbull : > I really don't see how that kind of thing can be easily supported by a > Python module maintainer, unless they're also the downstream packager. Almost none. But in my understanding, that's not what most linux packagers vendors ask about - they will handle the dep

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_*

2009-03-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 28, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I really don't see how that kind of thing can be easily supported by a Python module maintainer, unless they're also the downstream packager. They simply can't. As a package developer, I'd

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_*

2009-03-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Eric Smith writes: > I was just pointing out that bdist_rpm has users, and it's not likely to > be abandoned. OK, I see. I don't think there's a reason to remove useful functionality from the stdlib, unless it's clearly superseded by a similar module. > I don't see how they differ. It's def

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_*

2009-03-28 Thread Eric Smith
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Eric Smith writes: > And I personally use bdist_rpm for my work, which I distribute to a farm > of servers under my control. So no doubt it's used. Sure, but use for internal distribution is very different from to problem its being asked to solve now, isn't it? I

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_*

2009-03-28 Thread David Cournapeau
2009/3/28 Stephen J. Turnbull : > > Sure, but use for internal distribution is very different from to > problem its being asked to solve now, isn't it?  IIUC, you're > basically using RPM as an installer for a standalone application, > where you set policy at both ends, packaging and installation.

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_*

2009-03-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Eric Smith writes: > And I personally use bdist_rpm for my work, which I distribute to a farm > of servers under my control. So no doubt it's used. Sure, but use for internal distribution is very different from to problem its being asked to solve now, isn't it? IIUC, you're basically using RP

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_* (was: intermin able 'setuptools' thread)

2009-03-27 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Mark Hammond gmail.com> writes: > > As mentioned, it isn't really a natural fit - but regardless, py2exe is > struggling to maintain itself at the moment... It is the first auto-maintained package I have ever heard of :-) Regards Antoine. ___ Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_* (was: interminable 'setuptools' thread)

2009-03-27 Thread Mark Hammond
On 28/03/2009 7:49 AM, gl...@divmod.com wrote: Perhaps bdist_wininst/_msi could be donated to the py2exe project if they would be willing to maintain it, and the new project for _deb and _rpm could be called "py2packman" or something. As mentioned, it isn't really a natural fit - but regardless

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_*

2009-03-27 Thread Eric Smith
Martin v. Löwis wrote: I do think that it's relevant that the respective operating system packagers don't find bdist_rpm, bdist_deb, et. al. useful. It's not very useful to have a bdist_deb that nobody actually builds debs with. I think that conclusion is invalid: just because the distributi

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_* (was: interminable 'setuptools' thread)

2009-03-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I do think that it's relevant that the respective operating system packagers don't find bdist_rpm, bdist_deb, et. al. useful. It's not very useful to have a bdist_deb that nobody actually builds debs with. I think that conclusion is invalid: just because the distributions don't use it doesn't

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_* (was: interminable 'setuptools' thread)

2009-03-27 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2009-03-27 21:49, gl...@divmod.com wrote: > > On 07:59 pm, fdr...@acm.org wrote: >> I'm actually in favor of removing the bdist_* from the standard >> library, and allowing 3rd-party tools to implement whatever they need >> for the distros. But I don't think what you're presenting there >> sup

Re: [Python-Dev] splitting out bdist_* (was: interminable 'setuptools' thread)

2009-03-27 Thread Thomas Heller
gl...@divmod.com schrieb: > On 07:59 pm, fdr...@acm.org wrote: >>I'm actually in favor of removing the bdist_* from the standard >>library, and allowing 3rd-party tools to implement whatever they need >>for the distros. But I don't think what you're presenting there >>supports it. > > I do thi