Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 08:12 PM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: >If my premises above are mistaken, then the suggestions should be modified >or discarded. However, I don't see how they conflict at all with a >consumer rating system. My point was simply that providing rapid, visible feedback to authors results i

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Terry Reedy
"Phillip J. Eby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > At 05:41 PM 4/22/2006 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: >>I'm not sure that's what Terry meant - I took it to mean *make the spider >>part of PyPI itself*. > > Which would also be accomplished by using Grig's Cheesecake tool,

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Terry Reedy
"Guido van Rossum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be > diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that > Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person > that CPAN su

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Guido van Rossum wrote: > Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be > diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that > Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person > that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't >

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 05:41 PM 4/22/2006 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: >Phillip J. Eby wrote: >>At 12:22 AM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: >>>Why can't you remove the heuristic and screen-scrape info-search code >>>from the easy_install client and run one spider that would check >>>new/revised PyPI entries, search

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 12:34 PM 4/22/2006 +0200, Fredrik Lundh wrote: >Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be > > diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that > > Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person > > that CPA

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
I was actually referring to the quality of the code. On 4/22/06, John J Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > Guido van Rossum wrote: > [...] > >> Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person > >> that CPAN sucks from a quality perspec

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread John J Lee
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Guido van Rossum wrote: [...] >> Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person >> that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't [...] > (as for the CPAN quality, any public repository will end up being full > of

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Guido van Rossum wrote: > Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be > diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that > Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person > that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 4/22/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Terry Reedy wrote: > > > 1. Based on comments on c.l.py, the biggest legitimate fact-based (versus > > personal-taste-based) knock again Python versus, in particular, Perl is the > > lack of a CPAN-like facility. As I remember, there have even

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Terry Reedy wrote: > 1. Based on comments on c.l.py, the biggest legitimate fact-based (versus > personal-taste-based) knock again Python versus, in particular, Perl is the > lack of a CPAN-like facility. As I remember, there have even been a few > people say something like "I like Python the lan

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Phillip J. Eby wrote: > The problem isn't fundamentally a technical one, but a social one. You can > effect social change through technology, but not by being some random guy > with a nagging 'bot. > Seriously, though, posting Cheesecake scores (which include ratings for > findability of code, u

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Nick Coghlan
Phillip J. Eby wrote: > At 12:22 AM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: >> Why can't you remove the heuristic and screen-scrape info-search code >>from the easy_install client and run one spider that would check >> new/revised PyPI entries, search for missing info, insert it into PyPI when >> found

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-21 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 12:22 AM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: >Why can't you remove the heuristic and screen-scrape info-search code >from the easy_install client and run one spider that would check >new/revised PyPI entries, search for missing info, insert it into PyPI when >found (and mark the entry eggified),

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-21 Thread Giovanni Bajo
Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What *should* happen now instead, is a plan for merging setuptools > into the distutils for 2.6. That includes making the decisions about > what "install" and "sdist" should do, and whether backward > compatibility of internal behaviors should be implic

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-21 Thread Terry Reedy
"Phillip J. Eby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have some general comments which I will not try to tie to specific quotes. 1. Based on comments on c.l.py, the biggest legitimate fact-based (versus personal-taste-based) knock again Python versus, in particular, P