Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-11 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Greg Ewing schrieb: > That can't be right, because it would mean that > anyone who runs a program that contains a > patented algorithm, even one bought or otherwise > obtained from someone else, would need to > individually negotiate a licence with the > patent owner. That clearly doesn't happen.

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-10 Thread Greg Ewing
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Perform it: do the steps that the algorithm says you should > do, or let a machine do it. IOW, run the code. That can't be right, because it would mean that anyone who runs a program that contains a patented algorithm, even one bought or otherwise obtained from someone el

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Greg Ewing schrieb: >> In the context of an encryption algorithm, the right to >> use would be the most prominent one; you wouldn't be >> allowed to use the algorithm unless you have a patent >> license. > > But what does "use" *mean* in relation to an > algorithm? Perform it: do the steps that t

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-09 Thread Greg Ewing
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > In the context of an encryption algorithm, the right to > use would be the most prominent one; you wouldn't be > allowed to use the algorithm unless you have a patent > license. But what does "use" *mean* in relation to an algorithm? -- Greg _

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-09 Thread Jim Jewett
On 8/8/06, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If distributing the source doesn't violate the patent, > and distributing a binary doesn't violate the patent, > then what *would* constitute a violation of a software > patent? > Writing new code using the algorithm? Compiling > something which

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-09 Thread Gregory P. Smith
> Strictly speaking, it is dropping a feature: a connection that can get > established with 2.5b3 might not get established with 2.5c1, assuming > a server that requires some IDEA-based cipher. > > > (any sane SSL connection will negotiate AES or 3DES > > as its cipher; IDEA isn't required) > > O

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregory P. Smith schrieb: > disabling/enabling a cipher in openssl that isn't commonly used and > isn't even directly exposed via any API to a python user hardly sounds > like dropping a feature to me. Strictly speaking, it is dropping a feature: a connection that can get established with 2.5b3 mi

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-08 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Greg Ewing schrieb: > If distributing the source doesn't violate the patent, > and distributing a binary doesn't violate the patent, > then what *would* constitute a violation of a software > patent? IANAL, but AFAICT, the rights controlled by patent law are the right to make, to use, to sell, to

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-08 Thread Greg Ewing
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > I personally don't think there is a risk > distributing the code (if there was, distribution of OpenSSL would also > be a risk); anybody /using/ a patented algorithm would violate the > patent. If distributing the source doesn't violate the patent, and distributing a binar

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-08 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 04:54:44PM -0400, Jim Jewett wrote: > On 8/8/06, "Martin v. L?wis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jim Jewett schrieb: > > > The OpenSSL library implements some algorithms that are patented. The > > > source code should be fine to (re)distribute, but but there may be a > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-08 Thread Jim Jewett
On 8/8/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Jewett schrieb: > > The OpenSSL library implements some algorithms that are patented. The > > source code should be fine to (re)distribute, but but there may be a > > slight legal risk with distributing a binary. > I don't want to chan

Re: [Python-Dev] openSSL and windows binaries - license

2006-08-08 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Jim Jewett schrieb: > The OpenSSL library implements some algorithms that are patented. The > source code should be fine to (re)distribute, but but there may be a > slight legal risk with distributing a binary. I don't want to change the build process in that way (i.e. dropping a feature) just be