Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460 reboot and a bitter fight

2014-01-13 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 1/13/2014 5:06 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: I figured out tonight that it's only positioning ASCII interpolation as an*alternative* to adding binary interpolation that I have a problem with. It isn't, because you lose the structural assurance that you haven't inadvertently introduced an assumption

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460 reboot and a bitter fight

2014-01-13 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 13/01/2014 07:59, Ethan Furman wrote: On 01/12/2014 11:15 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: The proponents (myself, you, Stufft, Eric Smith, et al*) are arguing that bytes already has an ASCII bias, already has ASCII string methods, that it isn't the same as the Py2 world because if you combine

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460 reboot and a bitter fight

2014-01-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 13 January 2014 17:59, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 01/12/2014 11:15 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> >> (It's too late here to write more, but it looks like we are in for a >> bitter fight. :-( ) > > > It's already been a bitter fight. > > The opponents of %-interpolation (Nick, Antoine, Turnbull

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460 reboot and a bitter fight

2014-01-13 Thread Ethan Furman
On 01/12/2014 11:15 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: (It's too late here to write more, but it looks like we are in for a bitter fight. :-( ) It's already been a bitter fight. The opponents of %-interpolation (Nick, Antoine, Turnbull, D'Aprano, et al*) all seem to be arguing basically what Nick s