Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414 - some numbers from the Django port

2012-03-09 Thread Vinay Sajip
- Original Message - > But the stuff you run is not really benchmarking anything. As far as I > know django benchmarks benchmark something like mostly DB creation and > deletion, although that might differ between CPython and PyPy. How > about running *actual* django benchmarks, instead

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414 - some numbers from the Django port

2012-03-08 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Armin Ronacher active-4.com> writes: > >> What are you trying to argue?  That the overall Django testsuite does >> not do a lot of string processing, less processing with native strings? >> >> I'm surprised you see a difference at all over the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414 - some numbers from the Django port

2012-03-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Anyway, it doesn't really > matter now, since the latest version of the PEP no longer mentions those > figures. Indeed, I deliberately removed the part about performance concerns, since I considered it a distraction from what I see as the hear

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414 - some numbers from the Django port

2012-03-07 Thread Vinay Sajip
Armin Ronacher active-4.com> writes: > What are you trying to argue? That the overall Django testsuite does > not do a lot of string processing, less processing with native strings? > > I'm surprised you see a difference at all over the whole Django > testsuite and I wonder why you get a slowdo

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414 - some numbers from the Django port

2012-03-07 Thread Armin Ronacher
Hi, On 3/3/12 2:28 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > So, looking at a large project in a relevant problem domain, unicode_literals > and native string markers would appear not to adversely impact readability or > performance. What are you trying to argue? That the overall Django testsuite does not do a lo