Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

> -Original Message- > From: Nick Coghlan [mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com] > > > 2. Feature enhancement to 2.8. Take a robust and popular version of > > python and add some of the language goodies that have been added to > > 3.x and that don’t have an inherent 3.x aspect. Yield from.

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On Apr 18, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:04:10 + > Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: >> >> 2. Feature enhancement to 2.8. Take a robust and popular version of >> python and add some of the language goodies that have been added to 3.x and >> that don’

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:04:10 + Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: > > 2. Feature enhancement to 2.8. Take a robust and popular version of > python and add some of the language goodies that have been added to 3.x and > that don’t have an inherent 3.x aspect. Yield from. New exception mod

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On 18 April 2014 08:04, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: > Here, a week later, are some of my thoughts from the summit, for the record: > 1. An aid in the conversion from 2.x series to 3.x series. Enabling a > bunch of warnings and such by default. Perhaps allowing 3.x syntax in some > places

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Here, a week later, are some of my thoughts from the summit, for the record: 2.8: The issue of a hyptothetical 2.8 never fails to entertain. However, I noticed that there seem to be at least two distinct missions of such a thing. 1. An aid in the conversion from 2.x series to 3.x series.

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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > What does this mean exactly? Under OS X and Linux, Python is typically > installed by default. Under OS X, at least, I think there are valid reasons to not want to use the system-supplied Python. On my up-to-date OS X 10.9.2 machine, I s

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 01:23:13 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/16/2014 6:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > >> AP exams are starting to allow Python, but it's 10% of the AP CS exams. > > > > "AP"? > > (I thought that was me, but it sounds unlikely :-)) > > AP = Advanced Placement. US and Canadian h

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On 4/16/2014 6:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: AP exams are starting to allow Python, but it's 10% of the AP CS exams. "AP"? (I thought that was me, but it sounds unlikely :-)) AP = Advanced Placement. US and Canadian high school students who have taken advanced (AP) courses equivalent to Amer

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:38:21 -0700, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 15:26, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > Hi Taavi, > > > > Thanks for the report! > > > > > Disussion about packaging continues. Glyph asks if the PSF could fund a > > > usability study on installing Python. Pe

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On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 15:26, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >> Hi Taavi, >> >> Thanks for the report! >> >>> Disussion about packaging continues. Glyph asks if the PSF could fund a >>> usability study on installing Python. People generally

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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 15:26, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hi Taavi, > > Thanks for the report! > > > Disussion about packaging continues. Glyph asks if the PSF could fund a > > usability study on installing Python. People generally seem to think > > it's a good idea. > > What does this mean exa

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Hi Taavi, Thanks for the report! > Disussion about packaging continues. Glyph asks if the PSF could fund a > usability study on installing Python. People generally seem to think > it's a good idea. What does this mean exactly? Under OS X and Linux, Python is typically installed by default. And

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

Guido van Rossum, 10.04.2014 03:08: > - Jukka Lehtosalo gave a talk and answered questions about mypy, his design > and implementation of pragmatic type annotations (no new syntax required, > uses Python 3 function annotations). FWIW, signature type annotations aren't enough for a static compiler

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Hi, On 11 April 2014 19:55, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: >> Thanks, that clarification helps a lot. Does this mean that "API-mode" >> CFFI is competing with things like swig (which is not used much these >> days, as far as I know) and Cython (which is used a lot in the numeric >> community)? ("ABI-m

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On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 11 April 2014 10:36, Armin Rigo wrote: >> This would be superficial, but change the perception of CFFI to be "a >> preprocessor that produces C extension modules". > > Thanks, that clarification helps a lot. Does this mean that "API-mode" >

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On 11 April 2014 10:36, Armin Rigo wrote: > This would be superficial, but change the perception of CFFI to be "a > preprocessor that produces C extension modules". Thanks, that clarification helps a lot. Does this mean that "API-mode" CFFI is competing with things like swig (which is not used mu

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On 11 Apr 2014 05:39, "Armin Rigo" wrote: > > Hi, > > On 10 April 2014 22:12, Paul Moore wrote: > > I agree. I'd like to see a clear explanation of what advantages (and > > disadvantages!) CFFI gives over ctypes, as well as the plan for > > inclusion and how the inevitable confusion over whether

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Hi, On 10 April 2014 22:12, Paul Moore wrote: > I agree. I'd like to see a clear explanation of what advantages (and > disadvantages!) CFFI gives over ctypes, as well as the plan for > inclusion and how the inevitable confusion over whether to use ctypes > or cffi will be handled. (...) I can't

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On 10 Apr 2014 10:23, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > > Le 10/04/2014 13:24, Kushal Das a écrit : > >> >> At this time of discussion Nick pointed us to >> `http://speed.python.org/ `_, he asked if >> any of the implementations >> wants to maintain it. We need more volunteers fo

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On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote: >There's absolutely no reason to exempt CFFI, IMHO. On the contrary -- the >dependence on other 3rd party modules (PLY and pycparesr), and the related >dilemma of whether to expose each/both as stdlib modules or hide as >internal implementation de

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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 10 April 2014 20:30, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > FWIW, I do hope there would be a PEP before including CFFI... Actually I > > don't understand what would justify an exemption. > > I agree. I'd like to see a clear explanation of what advantage

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On 10 April 2014 20:30, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > FWIW, I do hope there would be a PEP before including CFFI... Actually I > don't understand what would justify an exemption. I agree. I'd like to see a clear explanation of what advantages (and disadvantages!) CFFI gives over ctypes, as well as the

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Well, I was going to put off requesting a PEP until I'd judged the plan, but clearly (a) there isn't actually a plan (just some vague description of an end result that some feel desirable) and (b) it's controversial. So, yes, it definitely needs a PEP. Also, even though this came up a year ago, nob

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Le 10/04/2014 20:58, Guido van Rossum a écrit : Huh, I totally missed this (and I just gave Kushal a confused answer when he asked me about it in person). Can someone please post here what the plan is exactly? I don't want to press for a PEP, but I would at least like to understand the plan for

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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le 10/04/2014 20:58, Guido van Rossum a écrit : > > >> Huh, I totally missed this (and I just gave Kushal a confused answer >> when he asked me about it in person). Can someone please post here what >> the plan is exactly? I don't want to p

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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Thomas Wouters wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > > >>> >>> There was a small discussion about state of CFFI for standard library >>> inclusion. Alex and David Beazley a

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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Thomas Wouters wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > > There was a small discussion about state of CFFI for standard library >> inclusion. Alex and David Beazley are supposed to >> work on cleaning PLY for the same. General opinion wa

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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Guido van Rossum > wrote: > > To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if > you > > took them just for yourself, would you mind posting them here? It would > be > > good to have some

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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > I feel a bit tired to point out that there *is* a common set of > cross-implementation benchmarks at http://hg.python.org/benchmarks > > It is maintained and there is also a mailing-list to discuss it at > https://mail.python.org/mailman

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Maybe we don't need a volunteer to maintain it, but we sure need a volunteer to coordinate and spread the knowledge! :-) On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le 10/04/2014 13:24, Kushal Das a écrit : > > >> At this time of discussion Nick pointed us to >> `http://speed.pytho

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Le 10/04/2014 13:24, Kushal Das a écrit : At this time of discussion Nick pointed us to `http://speed.python.org/ `_, he asked if any of the implementations wants to maintain it. We need more volunteers for that, target is to have a common set of tests to benchmark diff

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On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 09:08:04PM -0400, Guido van Rossum wrote: > To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if you > took them just for yourself, would you mind posting them here? It would be > good to have some kind of (informal!) as soon as possible, before we > colle

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if you > took them just for yourself, would you mind posting them here? It would be > good to have some kind of (informal!) as soon as possible, before we > collectively

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On Apr 9, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > Mentioned about https://pypi-preview.a.ssl.fastly.net/ For what it’s worth, https://warehouse.python.org/ is a somewhat easier to remember demo url for that :] - Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356

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Here are my notes that I jotted down from the back row. Forgive me for any mistakes. (As I shared in the intro, I am trying to get back and keep up. :)) Python Release Process: * Larry Hastings goes for vote for shortend release process. But Guido does not seem to be excited about it. Woul