Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Michael Foord
On 13/01/2010 19:13, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: * Python 2.6.4 Windows X86-64 installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 / X86-64 binary -- does not include source) instead of: * Python 2.6.4 Windows AMD64 installer (Windows AMD64 binary -- does not include source) -1. AMD doesn't want

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Michael Urman
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 13:45, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> So to echo what Michael said, the Microsoft nomenclature is "x64" >> regardless of yours and Martin's objections to that name. Nobody who >> uses Windows would be confused by "x64" since that is *the* Microsoft >> naming scheme. > > That's

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> So to echo what Michael said, the Microsoft nomenclature is "x64" > regardless of yours and Martin's objections to that name. Nobody who > uses Windows would be confused by "x64" since that is *the* Microsoft > naming scheme. That's actually not entirely true. There are several places in the API

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> As Windows doesn't run on non-x86 architectures, their naming is > generally just Windows (32 bit) and Windows (64 bit). Windows actually does - it runs on IA-64 (which is a non-x86 architecture). However, end users are unlikely to use such hardware, so distinguishing between 32-bit and 64-bi

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/13/2010 2:13 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: I think we should use whatever is most informative and least confusing to our users - we owe our allegiance to them and not to a processor vendor. And why do you think this is x86-64? I do not believe I have personally seen, or at least noticed,

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>>> * Python 2.6.4 Windows X86-64 installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 / >>> X86-64 binary -- does not include source) >>> >>> instead of: >>> >>> * Python 2.6.4 Windows AMD64 installer (Windows AMD64 binary -- does >>> not include source) >>> >> -1. AMD doesn't want us to use the term x86

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Scott Dial
On 1/13/2010 9:04 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > As Windows doesn't run on non-x86 architectures, their naming is > generally just Windows (32 bit) and Windows (64 bit). That is not correct. There are IA-64 versions of Window Server. >From [1]: "Backward compatibility is a key point differentiating

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
Michael Urman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 00:11, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> -1. AMD doesn't want us to use the term x86-64 anymore, but wants us >> to use AMD64 instead. I think we should comply - they invented the >> architecture, so they have the right to give it a name. Neither >> Microso

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Michael Urman
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 00:11, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > -1. AMD doesn't want us to use the term x86-64 anymore, but wants us > to use AMD64 instead. I think we should comply - they invented the > architecture, so they have the right to give it a name. Neither > Microsoft nor Intel have such a ri

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Christian Heimes cheimes.de> writes: >> How about: >> >> * Python 2.6.4 Windows X86-64 installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 / >> X86-64 binary -- does not include source) > > +1. I don't care about trademarks or official names, we should call it > whatever > is obvious fo

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-13 Thread Michael Foord
On 13/01/2010 06:11, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: How about: * Python 2.6.4 Windows X86-64 installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 / X86-64 binary -- does not include source) instead of: * Python 2.6.4 Windows AMD64 installer (Windows AMD64 binary -- does not include source) -1. AMD doesn't

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-12 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Christian Heimes cheimes.de> writes: > > How about: > > * Python 2.6.4 Windows X86-64 installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 / > X86-64 binary -- does not include source) +1. I don't care about trademarks or official names, we should call it whatever is obvious for our users. As for Itanium, it i

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-12 Thread Sridhar Ratnakumar
On 1/12/2010 2:46 PM, Michael Foord wrote: I presume the email below is about the Windows binary. Does the AMD64 release work on intel 64bit and can we make the wording clearer on the download page? The current description is " Windows AMD64 binary". FWIW, we simply use (64-bit, x64). Platf

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> How about: > > * Python 2.6.4 Windows X86-64 installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 / > X86-64 binary -- does not include source) > > instead of: > > * Python 2.6.4 Windows AMD64 installer (Windows AMD64 binary -- does > not include source) -1. AMD doesn't want us to use the term x86-64 anymor

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-12 Thread Michael Foord
On 12/01/2010 23:41, Christian Heimes wrote: Michael Foord wrote: I presume the email below is about the Windows binary. Does the AMD64 release work on intel 64bit and can we make the wording clearer on the download page? The current description is " Windows AMD64 binary". The instal

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-12 Thread Michael Foord
On 12/01/2010 23:40, Michael Foord wrote: On 12/01/2010 23:28, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: [snip...] """The binaries for AMD64 will also work on processors that implement the Intel 64 architecture (formerly EM64T), i.e. the architecture that Microsoft calls x64, and AMD called x86-64 before calling

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-12 Thread Christian Heimes
Michael Foord wrote: > I presume the email below is about the Windows binary. Does the AMD64 > release work on intel 64bit and can we make the wording clearer on the > download page? > > The current description is " Windows AMD64 binary". The installer works on all AMD64 compatible Intel CPUs.

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-12 Thread Michael Foord
On 12/01/2010 23:28, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: [snip...] """The binaries for AMD64 will also work on processors that implement the Intel 64 architecture (formerly EM64T), i.e. the architecture that Microsoft calls x64, and AMD called x86-64 before calling it AMD64. They will not work on Intel Itan

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Download Page - AMD64

2010-01-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I presume the email below is about the Windows binary. Does the AMD64 > release work on intel 64bit and can we make the wording clearer on the > download page? "intel 64bit" is as clear as mud. It could mean the "Intel 64" architecture, or it could mean the "IA-64" architecture, both are 64-bit