Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-16 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > Nick Coghlan, 16.02.2013 08:49: >> Yes, the PyPy team and scientific users of Python have a long history >> of talking past each other (and abusing each other for the mutual lack >> of understanding). However, that's no excuse for deliberate

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-16 Thread Stefan Behnel
Nick Coghlan, 16.02.2013 08:49: > Yes, the PyPy team and scientific users of Python have a long history > of talking past each other (and abusing each other for the mutual lack > of understanding). However, that's no excuse for deliberately ignoring > the advantages JIT compilation can bring No-on

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > Hmm, I don't have the feeling that this discussion is leading anywhere > (especially not on this list). After all, it's quite possible to fire up a > PyPy runtime from a CPython runtime and have them talk to each other, > letting each one do

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Stefan Behnel
Steven D'Aprano, 16.02.2013 07:13: > On 16/02/13 16:41, Stefan Behnel wrote: > >>> PyPy is indeed a work in progress in this area, but that doesn't >>> necessarily preclude it from being included. >> >> That may be a matter of POV, but as long as PyPy fails to integrate (and >> you just called tha

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On 16/02/13 16:41, Stefan Behnel wrote: PyPy is indeed a work in progress in this area, but that doesn't necessarily preclude it from being included. That may be a matter of POV, but as long as PyPy fails to integrate (and you just called that "not a main focus"), I find it hard to defend its

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Stefan Behnel
Philip Jenvey, 16.02.2013 01:01: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: >> So, while I agree that PyPy is worth a try in certain application areas, >> and can be helpful for some special needs, also in the field of scientific >> computing, it's lightyears away from a production-rea

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Paul Boddie
Stefan Behnel wrote: > > This is off-topic for this list, but the main problem with PyPy is that > you'll quickly hit a lot of walls when you try to use it for anything > serious in the area. It's true that there is a certain level of > interoperability with CPython extensions, but calling it a "fo

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Philip Jenvey
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > This is off-topic for this list, but the main problem with PyPy is that > you'll quickly hit a lot of walls when you try to use it for anything > serious in the area. It's true that there is a certain level of > interoperability with CPython

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Stefan Behnel
Paul Boddie, 15.02.2013 22:44: > Travis Oliphant wrote: >> This page is specifically for Compiler projects that either integrate with >> or work directly with the CPython run-time which is why PyPy is not >> presently listed. The PyPy project is a great project but we just felt >> that we wanted t

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Paul Boddie
Travis Oliphant wrote: > > With Numba and Blaze we have been doing a lot of work on what essentially > is compiler technology and realizing more and more that we are treading on > ground that has been plowed before with many other projects. So, we > wanted to create a web-site and perhaps even a