Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Ewing
Boris Borcic wrote: > Fredrik Lundh wrote: > >>in what language the word "sum" an appropriate synonym for "concatenate" ? > > any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. Not the same thing. "a + b" is usually pronounced "a plus b". Now, "plus" has a somewhat wider meaning than "sum". It

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Ewing
Gareth McCaughan wrote: > (I agree that Greg's interpretation is also not well supported > by that thread; I was perhaps a bit excessive in claiming that language had nothing to do with it. What I meant was that it wasn't the *only* consideration. If there hadn't been any disadvantages, quite pos

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Greg Ewing
Boris Borcic wrote: > sum() *is* exactly an attractive nuisance by *appearing* to be an obvious way > of > chaining strings in a list (without actually being one). But at least it fails immediately, prompting you to look in another direction. > I admit that there is a step of arguable interpre

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Nick Coghlan
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Boris Borcic wrote: > >>> in what language [is] the word "sum" an appropriate synonym for >>> "concatenate" ? >> any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. > > and what human language would that be ? Python :) Sure-computers-can-speak-it-but-so-can-humans'ly yo

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
Please end this thread. Now. Really. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/optio

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Boris Borcic wrote: > >>> in what language [is] the word "sum" an appropriate synonym for >>> "concatenate" ? >> any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. > > and what human language would that be ? Let's admit the answer is 'none' (and I apologize for ac

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Boris Borcic wrote: >> in what language [is] the word "sum" an appropriate synonym for >> "concatenate" ? > > any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. and what human language would that be ? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > in what language the word "sum" an appropriate synonym for "concatenate" ? any that admits a+b to mean ''.join([a,b]), I'd say. - BB ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyt

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
I wish to apologize for mistakenly pushing the "send" button on an untouched copy of Gereth McGaughan's reply, in the case my early cancel at gmane did not stop the propagation. I'll profit just to add (bringing this to a conclusion) Gareth McCaughan wrote: > (...was not Guido's first intervent

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
Gareth McCaughan wrote: > (Attention conservation notice: the following is concerned almost entirely > with exegesis of an old python-dev thread. Those interested in improving > Python > and not in history and exegesis should probably ignore it.) > > On Tuesday 2006-07-11 13:43, Boris Borcic wrot

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Gareth McCaughan
(Attention conservation notice: the following is concerned almost entirely with exegesis of an old python-dev thread. Those interested in improving Python and not in history and exegesis should probably ignore it.) On Tuesday 2006-07-11 13:43, Boris Borcic wrote: > >> I believe that in this case

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Boris Borcic wrote: >>> I believe that in this case native linguistic intuition made the decision... >> >> The reason has nothing to do with language. Guido didn't >> want sum() to become an attractive nuisance by *appearing* >> to be an obvious way of joining a list of strings, while >> actually

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-11 Thread Boris Borcic
Greg Ewing wrote: > Boris Borcic wrote: > >> I believe that in this case native linguistic intuition made the decision... > > The reason has nothing to do with language. Guido didn't > want sum() to become an attractive nuisance by *appearing* > to be an obvious way of joining a list of strings,

Re: [Python-Dev] [slighly OT] Native speakers and hurting brains

2006-07-07 Thread Greg Ewing
Boris Borcic wrote: > I believe that in this case native linguistic intuition made the decision... The reason has nothing to do with language. Guido didn't want sum() to become an attractive nuisance by *appearing* to be an obvious way of joining a list of strings, while actually being a very ine