On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:20:18 -0200, Carlos Ribeiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One possible marketing strategy is to use the adjective "fast" in a
> broader sense. The Python slogan could be something like: "Programming
> has never been any faster" -- this changes the playing ground, from
> raw p
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
> > So how about a slogan like "Code it Fast, with Python", or "Python:
> Code
> > Fast" -- one which emphasizes the (easily defended) claim that
> development
> > time is shorter with Python, but which at the same time manages to
> > associate the wor
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 09:20 -0200, Carlos Ribeiro wrote:
> BTW, I would move away from the "fast enough" when talking about
> performance. It's difficult to qualify what is "enough" in marketing
> terms; also, a selling/winning message can't be seen as taking excuses
> for any reason. On the other
Title: RE: [Python-Dev] re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places
[Carlos Ribeiro]
#- As far as the slogan is concerned - I still stand for my
#- proposal, but
#- I don't know if anyone has registered it first... I fear it is, it
#- sounds strangely familiar. But I hope not.
Well, G
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:24:11 -0800, Michael Chermside <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carlos Riberio writes:
> > One possible marketing strategy is to use the adjective "fast" in a
> > broader sense. The Python slogan could be something like: "Programming
> > has never been any faster" -- this changes
Title: RE: [Python-Dev] re: 2.4 news reaches interesting places
[Raymond Hettinger]
#- > So how about a slogan like "Code it Fast, with Python", or "Python:
#- Code
#- > Fast" -- one which emphasizes the (easily defended) claim that
#- development
#- > time is s
> So how about a slogan like "Code it Fast, with Python", or "Python:
Code
> Fast" -- one which emphasizes the (easily defended) claim that
development
> time is shorter with Python, but which at the same time manages to
> associate the word "fast" with "Python".
I always liked: "Python, the lang
Carlos Riberio writes:
> One possible marketing strategy is to use the adjective "fast" in a
> broader sense. The Python slogan could be something like: "Programming
> has never been any faster" -- this changes the playing ground, from
> raw performance to *programming* performance.
I think Carlos
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:13:41 -0700, Stewart Midwinter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A number of people commented on the article in GCN, at
> http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/28026-1.html, and wondered if
> more could not be done to address the perception of speed. The point
> is made that altho
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:13:41 -0700, Stewart Midwinter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] Possible slogan for Python: "Fast enough, and better in many ways".
> [...]
Let's make it faster first :-)
Cheers,
Michael
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 08:22 AM 12/11/04 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
BTW I strongly disagree that making easy .EXE binaries available will
address this issue; while not bundled, there are plenty of solutions
for maning .EXEs for those who need them, and this is not something
that typically wor
Raymond Hettinger wrote:
Makes sense to me - I look forward to seeing the next version.
Cheers,
Nick.
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At 08:22 AM 12/11/04 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
BTW I strongly disagree that making easy .EXE binaries available will
address this issue; while not bundled, there are plenty of solutions
for maning .EXEs for those who need them, and this is not something
that typically worries managers. But the
> fwiw, IDG's Computer Sweden, "sweden's leading IT-newspaper" has a
> surprisingly big Python article in their most recent issue:
>
> PYTHON FEELS WELL
> Better performance biggest news in 2.4
>
> and briefly interviews swedish zope-developer Johan Carlsson and Python-
> Ware co-founder
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:22:17AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> But the perception of Python as
> "slow" does worry managers.
Much more those managers are worried that Python isn't backed by a
large corporation. For Java there is Sun, for Visual Basic there is the
biggest and most powerful
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
[snip]
fwiw, IDG's Computer Sweden, "sweden's leading IT-newspaper" has a
surprisingly big Python article in their most recent issue:
PYTHON FEELS WELL
Better performance biggest news in 2.4
[snip]
Perhaps the message getting out is actually that Python's performance i
Raymond Hettinger wrote:
guidelines for applications that demand peek performance (in terms of memory
Peak performance, perhaps? :) Anyway, it looks pretty good to me, but I have a
few additional ideas.
Add a section of Caveats (we know they exist - might as well be upfront
about it):
Caveats
--
> The Wiki entry seems to reinforce the impression that bugged Guido to
> begin with. It provides a bunch of "but ..." explanations about why
> Python's speed isn't that important. Python is slow, but "speed of
> development is far more important."
I felt the same way when reading it. Also, it
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:01:55 -0500, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:11:04PM +0300, Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> > some popular areas. Let's add another topic, "Making things fast". Let's
> > even make it the first topic, though I personnaly dont see a need for
> > t
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 02:01:55PM -0500, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:11:04PM +0300, Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> > some popular areas. Let's add another topic, "Making things fast". Let's
> > even make it the first topic, though I personnaly dont see a need for
> > this.
>
> The
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:11:04PM +0300, Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> some popular areas. Let's add another topic, "Making things fast". Let's
> even make it the first topic, though I personnaly dont see a need for
> this.
The topic guides are migrating into the Wiki, and there's already a Wiki page
a
On Friday 10 December 2004 06:25, Delaney, Timothy C (Timothy) wrote:
> Michael Hudson wrote:
> > Anthony's Australian, people expect this sort of thing from him :)
>
> As another Australian, I think that "Making Python Not Suck" implies
> that if you don't do extra things, Python Sucks.
>
> This i
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
>
> And, parenthetically, I continue to be amazed at the number of projects
> that use Python, but do it in stealth-mode and view it as their
> silver-bullet and competative edge. I wish more people would publish
> their experience.
http://www.paulgraha
The goal here is to make Python better known and to counter some of the
prevalent myths. One way to accomplish this goal is to publish literate
technical articles with real content including performance measurements
and pointers to the code. Perhaps Guido could be a real-life N. Bourbaki
and co-
On 2004-12-09, at 15.07, Scott David Daniels wrote:
Oleg Broytmann wrote:
Raymond Hettinger wrote:
* Python's website has traditionally been self-centered, leaving
others
to have to make the case for their own products. Perhaps, it is
time to
change that. Those who really care about speed canno
Michael Hudson wrote:
> Anthony's Australian, people expect this sort of thing from him :)
As another Australian, I think that "Making Python Not Suck" implies
that if you don't do extra things, Python Sucks.
This is not a good thing IMO.
"Making Python Suck Less" would be even worse.
How abou
"Robert Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Anthony Baxter wrote:
>> FWIW, I was planning on writing a tutorial (working title:
>> "Making Python Code Not Suck") for some conference
>> or another...
>
> Perhaps, given your high profile in the Python developer community, you
> might reconsider th
Anthony Baxter wrote:
> FWIW, I was planning on writing a tutorial (working title:
> "Making Python Code Not Suck") for some conference
> or another...
Perhaps, given your high profile in the Python developer community, you
might reconsider the title? Little details like that are what PR is made
o
FWIW, I was planning on writing a tutorial (working title:
"Making Python Code Not Suck") for some conference
or another... talked to a bunch of people last week at
OSDC, and it seems like something people are interested
in. Got a bunch of stuff already down from various notes
I've written in the
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 06:07:41AM -0800, Scott David Daniels wrote:
> Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> > That's overreaction, I think.
>
> Perhaps a link on the main page
Why on the main page? There are Topics Guide at
http://python.org/topics/ that describes the ways Python can be used in
some popu
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