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On 03/26/2011 02:56 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Tres Seaver writes:
>
> > That was precisely my proposal:
>
> Sorry about that. I live in a disaster area, and was limited to
> GMail until two days ago, and lost a fair amount of context in the
Tres Seaver writes:
> That was precisely my proposal:
Sorry about that. I live in a disaster area, and was limited to
GMail until two days ago, and lost a fair amount of context in the
switch back.
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On Mar 25, 2011, at 09:51 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>That was precisely my proposal: when trying to check in changes to a
>stdlib module, we required that developers ensure that the module's
>tests, *and* those of its dependents, pass. We would need to add new
>testing infrastructure to support thi
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On 03/24/2011 10:51 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> If you are going to argue
> for running some tests but not others after making changes, shouldn't
> there be a notion of relevance involved? IMO "the" tests for modules
> with dependents should inc
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull
wrote:
> Eg, much as I normally respect Barry's intuitions, his proposal (to
> remove costly tests, without reference to the possibility of missing
> something important) is IMHO absolutely the wrong criterion. I don't
> really know about Pyth
Tres Seaver writes:
> > > > Well, keep in ming hg is a *distributed* version control system. You
> > > > don't have to push your changes right now.
> > > That doesn't work so well at a sprint, where the point is to maximize
> > > the value of precious face-time to get stuff done *now*.
>
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 16:33, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:46:37 -0400
> Tres Seaver wrote:
> > >
> > > > That doesn't work so well at a sprint, where the point is to
> maximize
> > > > the value of precious face-time to get stuff done *now*.
> > >
> > > That's where the D i
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:46:37 -0400
Tres Seaver wrote:
> >
> > > That doesn't work so well at a sprint, where the point is to maximize
> > > the value of precious face-time to get stuff done *now*.
> >
> > That's where the D in DVCS comes in. It's a new world, friends. All
> > you need to do
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On 03/23/2011 09:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Tres Seaver writes:
>
> > On 03/23/2011 01:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:25:01 -0700
> > > Ethan Furman wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think the use-case has been lost. Th
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 16:27, Simon Cross wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:25:01 -0700
> > Ethan Furman wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the use-case has been lost. Think sprints and multiple push
> >> races. No one is arguing that the smoke
On 3/23/2011 9:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
That's where the D in DVCS comes in. It's a new world, friends. All
you need to do is bring a $50 wireless router to the sprint, and have
some volunteer set up a shared repo for the sprinters. Then some
volunteer *later* runs the tests and pilo
Tres Seaver writes:
> On 03/23/2011 01:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:25:01 -0700
> > Ethan Furman wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the use-case has been lost. Think sprints and multiple push
> >> races.
I do, can't speak for others. So what? *sigh* ... read on.
> > W
>>> I think the use-case has been lost. Think sprints and multiple push
>>> races.
Tres> That doesn't work so well at a sprint, where the point is to
Tres> maximize the value of precious face-time to get stuff done *now*.
How about everybody pushes (without testing, or with, at
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:25:01 -0700
> Ethan Furman wrote:
>>
>> I think the use-case has been lost. Think sprints and multiple push
>> races. No one is arguing that the smoke-test should be the default, but
>> seriously, are you willing to
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:58:31 -0400
Tres Seaver wrote:
>
> That doesn't work so well at a sprint, where the point is to maximize
> the value of precious face-time to get stuff done *now*. Long test
> latencies and nearly-real-time collaboration are not friendly, as the
> agile folks document:
>
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On 03/23/2011 01:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:25:01 -0700
> Ethan Furman wrote:
>>
>> I think the use-case has been lost. Think sprints and multiple push
>> races. No one is arguing that the smoke-test should be the default
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:25:01 -0700
Ethan Furman wrote:
>
> I think the use-case has been lost. Think sprints and multiple push
> races. No one is arguing that the smoke-test should be the default, but
> seriously, are you willing to spend an hour or more re-running the
> complete suite of te
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