Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Paul Moore
On 26 September 2010 19:01, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: > >> >> I'm still with Guido here: I'd accept PEP 333 as final in the state it >> had last week, give PJE's edits a new PEP number, and accept that as >> final right away also. >> > > This sounds like it should

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Vinay Sajip
Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: > > I'm still with Guido here: I'd accept PEP 333 as final in the state it > had last week, give PJE's edits a new PEP number, and accept that as > final right away also. > This sounds like it should make everyone happy - no rewriting of history, and no pro

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I'm sorry, but all this weasel-wording about how these changes aren't > really changes and how this standard wasn't really a standard make me > very uncomfortable. I'm happy approving Final status for the > *original* PEP 333 and I'm happy to approve a new PEP which includes > PJE's corrections.

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> I think people read this as "nothing would be changed, period." > >> However, you did make substantial changes to the specification (or else >> the whole exercise would have been pointless, I suppose, and you >> couldn't have claimed that WSGI is now Python 3-friendly when it >> previously was

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: > I hadn't realized that PEP 333 was never actually in the 'Final' status > (de facto, it has been so for years, of course).  Given that fact, and > PJEs assurances, I think amending the PEP and then immediately declaring > it final is reasonable

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/2010 02:31 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Am 26.09.2010 03:45, schrieb P.J. Eby: >> I'm actually a bit surprised people are bringing this up now, since when >> I announced the plan to make these changes, I said that nothing would be >> changed

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread P.J. Eby
At 07:15 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: Don't see this as a new spec. See it as a procedural issue. As a procedural issue, PEP 333 is an Informational PEP, in "Draft" status, which I'd like to make Final after these amendments. See http://www.wsgi.org/wsgi/Amendments_1.0, which

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.09.2010 03:45, schrieb P.J. Eby: > I'm actually a bit surprised people are bringing this up now, since when > I announced the plan to make these changes, I said that nothing would be > changed that would break anything I think people read this as "nothing would be changed, period." However,

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM, P.J. Eby wrote: > At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but >> I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it >> is just a set of textual corrections on

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual corrections on the existing PEP 333. With the exception of the bytes change

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
At 09:22 PM 9/25/2010 -0400, Jesse Noller wrote: It seems like it will end up different enough to be a different specification, closely related to the original, but different enough to trip up all the people maintaining current WSGI servers and apps. The only actual *change* to the spec is mand

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, P.J. Eby wrote: > I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the diff is > here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment: > >  http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014&r2=85013&pathrev=85014 > > For that matter,

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual corrections on the existing PEP 333. --Guido On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:56 PM, P.J. Eby wrote: > I have only done the Python 3-sp

[Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the diff is here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment: http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014&r2=85013&pathrev=85014 For that matter, if anybody wants to take a crack at updating Python 3'