Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-06-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Microsoft is now claiming that it will be able to using something called > "multi-targeting", "later this year. > > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2012/06/15/10320645.aspx Interesting. Unlike the re-addition of desktop app support for Express, which was a purely political decision,

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-06-15 Thread Larry Hastings
On 05/31/2012 09:47 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: I hereby predict that Microsoft will revert this decision, and that VS Express 11 will be able to build CPython. But will it be able to target Windows XP? I have now tried, and it seems that the chances are really low (unless you use th

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-06-11 Thread Jesse Noller
On Friday, June 8, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Meador Inge wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:06 AM, (mailto:mar...@v.loewis.de)> wrote: > > > I hereby predict that Microsoft will revert this decision, and that VS > > Express > > 11 will be able to build CPython. > > > > And your prediction was right

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-06-08 Thread Meador Inge
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:06 AM, wrote: > I hereby predict that Microsoft will revert this decision, and that VS > Express > 11 will be able to build CPython. And your prediction was right on :-) : http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/06/08/visual-studio-express-2012-for-windows-de

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-31 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I hereby predict that Microsoft will revert this decision, and that VS Express 11 will be able to build CPython. But will it be able to target Windows XP? I have now tried, and it seems that the chances are really low (unless you use the VS 2010 tool chain, in which case you can just a

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-30 Thread Neil Hodgson
Curt: >> But will it be able to target Windows XP? It will likely be possible in a reasonable manner at some point. From http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/05/18/a-look-ahead-at-the-visual-studio-11-product-lineup-and-platform-support.aspx : """C++ developers can also use the

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-30 Thread Larry Hastings
On 05/30/2012 12:43 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: Please understand that Visual Studio never had the notion of "targetting" an operating system. The Windows SDK has that notion, and it appears that targetting XP continues to be supported. I may be misremembering, but--the C API of necessity cal

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I hereby predict that Microsoft will revert this decision, and that VS Express 11 will be able to build CPython. But will it be able to target Windows XP? I'll still need to try. I couldn't easily find a Windows XP installation to try out whether a hello world application runs on X

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Curt Hagenlocher wrote: > But will it be able to target Windows XP? > > http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/690617/bug-apps-created-with-crt-and-mfc-vnext-11-cannot-be-used-on-windows-xp-sp3 The key things to remember at this point: 1. The

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-25 Thread Curt Hagenlocher
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:06 AM, wrote: > It is better documented here, and seems something to start thinking about: >> >> http://arstechnica.com/**information-technology/2012/** >> 05/no-cost-desktop-software-**development-is-dead-on-**windows-8/

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-25 Thread martin
It is better documented here, and seems something to start thinking about: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/ This isn't actually better documentation, since it talks about the future, without being "official" (i.e. i

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-25 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
On 24 May 2012 19:36, wrote: >> The free Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8 (still in beta) will >> produce both 32 and 64 bit binaries and allow multiple languages but will >> only produce Metro apps. For desktop apps, either the paid Visual Studio >> versions or the free 2010 Express releas

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-24 Thread martin
The free Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8 (still in beta) will produce both 32 and 64 bit binaries and allow multiple languages but will only produce Metro apps. For desktop apps, either the paid Visual Studio versions or the free 2010 Express releases are required. https://www.microso

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > The free Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8 (still in beta) will produce > both 32 and 64 bit binaries and allow multiple languages but will only > produce Metro apps. For desktop apps, either the paid Visual Studio versions > or the free 2

[Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
The free Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8 (still in beta) will produce both 32 and 64 bit binaries and allow multiple languages but will only produce Metro apps. For desktop apps, either the paid Visual Studio versions or the free 2010 Express releases are required. https://www.microsoft.