Re: [Python-Dev] Trying to focus the whole bytes/str formatting discussion

2014-01-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 13 January 2014 08:46, Brett Cannon wrote: > I don't know about the rest of you but I feel like the discussion is heading > off the rails (if it hasn't already jumped the tracks). Let's try to bring > this back around to something actionable which people can focus their energy > on as the amoun

Re: [Python-Dev] Trying to focus the whole bytes/str formatting discussion

2014-01-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
Sorry, I started my own "PEP 460 reboot" thread -- I wrote that message before yours arrived, even if maybe I posted after you. I'm in the PBP camp myself for this. I won't pronounce on PEP 460 as-is. Please follow up in the other thread if you need clarifications. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 2:46 PM,

Re: [Python-Dev] Trying to focus the whole bytes/str formatting discussion

2014-01-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 12Jan2014 17:46, Brett Cannon wrote: > THE EIBTI group are willing to support PEP 460 but beyond that don't want > to have in Python itself anything for bytes.format() which takes in a > string and spits out bytes. It's bytes in->bytes out and not bytes & str > in->bytes out as the PBP group is

[Python-Dev] Trying to focus the whole bytes/str formatting discussion

2014-01-12 Thread Brett Cannon
I don't know about the rest of you but I feel like the discussion is heading off the rails (if it hasn't already jumped the tracks). Let's try to bring this back around to something actionable which people can focus their energy on as the amount of developer time spent arguing could have led to sev