Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-12 Thread Gregory P. Smith
Those who feel diverse can top post. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: >>> Is it really that big of an issue that we have to discuss it >>> ad-infinitum and potentially have a quoting cop? Sometimes top-posting >>> happens. Sometimes people don't trim messages. Sometimes peopl

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: > 2009/10/11 Jesse Noller : >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull >> wrote: >> >>> If others are willing to play bad cop, as Aahz did, I'd be very happy >>> to accept the benefit of a cleaned-up list. But I'm not willing to do >>> it myself. >> >> Is

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2009/10/11 Jesse Noller : > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: > >> If others are willing to play bad cop, as Aahz did, I'd be very happy >> to accept the benefit of a cleaned-up list.  But I'm not willing to do >> it myself. > > Is it really that big of an issue that w

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > If others are willing to play bad cop, as Aahz did, I'd be very happy > to accept the benefit of a cleaned-up list.  But I'm not willing to do > it myself. Is it really that big of an issue that we have to discuss it ad-infinitum and

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ben Finney writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > > Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA > > How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by lines, > and to select and delete text. I've used some very crummy MUAs, but the > ability to trim quoted text

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Xavier Morel
On 11 Oct 2009, at 18:07 , MRAB wrote: Didn't the iPhone also lack cut-and-paste? It did, but given text selection is a near-mandatory requirement to cutting text (and pasting isn't very useful if you can't put anything into the clipboard) those were implied consequences of the lack of s

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Antoine Pitrou
MRAB mrabarnett.plus.com> writes: > [snipped three pages of quoted messages before a one-liner] > Didn't the iPhone also lack cut-and-paste? Not to sound harsh, but your quoting was a perfect example of wasted visual bandwidth... (are you posting from an iPhone ? ;-)) Antoine. ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread MRAB
Masklinn wrote: On 11 Oct 2009, at 13:36 , Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ben Finney wrote: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by lines, and to select and del

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Masklinn
On 11 Oct 2009, at 13:36 , Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ben Finney > wrote: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by lines, and to select and delete text. I've

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Ben Finney
Tarek Ziadé writes: > You just can't do it on some mobile device mail clients. For instance > Gmail's client on Android. > It will just top-post and quote the whole mail for you AFAIK. Wow, that *is* crummy. Perhaps a posse of users of that application can loudly request this basic feature from

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > >> Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA > > How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by lines, > and to select and delete text. I've used some very crummy MUAs, but the > abil

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Greg Ewing canterbury.ac.nz> writes: > > That's no reason to squander it, though. Quoting the entire > message every time makes the size of the thread grow as > O(n**2), and makes things harder to read as well. That's > just senseless. +1. It's always annoying to skim through a three-page quoted

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Ben Finney
Fred Drake writes: > Most importantly, insufficient trimming makes many of us start to > ignore threads we'd otherwise want to read more carefully or > participate in, because the tedium of wading through all the quotes to > make sure we catch all the content. Absolutely. This is a significant r

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-11 Thread Ben Finney
"Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by lines, and to select and delete text. I've used some very crummy MUAs, but the ability to trim quoted text has never been absent or difficult. Are

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-10 Thread Fred Drake
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: > That's no reason to squander it, though. Quoting the entire > message every time makes the size of the thread grow as > O(n**2), and makes things harder to read as well. That's > just senseless. Most importantly, insufficient trimming makes man

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-10 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Greg Ewing writes: > That's no reason to squander it, though. Quoting the entire > message every time makes the size of the thread grow as > O(n**2), Agreed, but let's not exaggerate. Threads are finite, so big O is not really relevant. Spam OTOH is boundless, and that's where the bandwidth

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-10 Thread Greg Ewing
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: In the modern environment bandwidth is not really a consideration, That's no reason to squander it, though. Quoting the entire message every time makes the size of the thread grow as O(n**2), and makes things harder to read as well. That's just senseless. The only po

[Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

2009-10-10 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brett Cannon writes: > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:32, Michael Foord wrote: > > Sorry for top-posting, mobile device. Michael, I for one *very much* appreciate your courtesy. > Aahz was the most adamant hater of top-posting and he isn't subscribed to > python-dev anymore, so whatever. Please