Re: [Python-Dev] Regular scheduled releases

2010-10-30 Thread David Bolen
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > People will never ever test nightly builds. Been there, done that. > Instead, the nightly build process will break, and nobody will fix > it for months (or even complain, for that matter). Certainly seems to be past experience. I know Martin knows this, but for other

Re: [Python-Dev] Regular scheduled releases

2010-10-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 30.10.2010 14:29, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 14:09, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> I don't feel like producing a complete list of build steps; the entire >> process takes about four hours. > > So is most of this scripted, or is there just a process in your head? Define "m

Re: [Python-Dev] Regular scheduled releases

2010-10-30 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 14:09, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > I don't feel like producing a complete list of build steps; the entire > process takes about four hours. So is most of this scripted, or is there just a process in your head? > The steps that are difficult to automate are: > - code signin

Re: [Python-Dev] Regular scheduled releases

2010-10-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Right, the effort of those people is obviously the limiting factor > here. Automating builds sounds like a good step forward. What are the > sticky bits here? Martin, Ronald, how much of the process is not > automated, and why is automating hard? I don't feel like producing a complete list of bu

Re: [Python-Dev] Regular scheduled releases (was: Continuing 2.x)

2010-10-30 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 05:22, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Ultimately, the frequency of releases comes down to the burden on the > release manager and the folks that build the binary installers. Any > given RM is usually only responsible for one or two branches, but the > same two people (Martin and Ron

Re: [Python-Dev] Regular scheduled releases (was: Continuing 2.x)

2010-10-29 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > That's an average of 4 (if you include .4) or 4.5 months (PEP 6 > specifies 6 months, but some of the parts seem outdated). I think > releasing each month might be a bit ambitious, but it would be great > to drive down the release interval

[Python-Dev] Regular scheduled releases (was: Continuing 2.x)

2010-10-29 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 21:54, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Another quick thought. What would people think about regular timed releases > if python 2.7?  This is probably more a question for Benjamin but doing > sonmight provide better predictability and "customer service" to our users. I > might like