[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-03 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue., 3 Mar. 2020, 2:11 pm Kyle Stanley, wrote: > > In most cases of a first-time poster that I've seen, the poster probably > doesn't have the understanding needed to conduct a proper search of the > mailing list. That's why I suggest responding with some genuine help (i.e. > taking their ide

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-03 Thread Eric V. Smith
On 3/3/2020 2:18 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 03.03.20 01:03, Skip Montanaro пише: Atm we don't have an index of ideas, apart from pep 3099, and I'm not sure we can make one (can we?), so I do not see a way to prevent this from happening. Maybe an informational PEP which briefly lists rejected

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-03 Thread Henk-Jaap Wagenaar
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 07:27, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 03.03.20 01:03, Skip Montanaro пише: > >> Atm we don't have an index of ideas, apart from pep 3099, and I'm not > sure we can make one (can we?), so I do not see a way to prevent this from > happening. > > > > Maybe an informational PEP which

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-03 Thread Steve Holden
The webmaster list sends an auto-response to new posters. If something like that could happen on python-dev too, as long as the advice was clear enough the list could then simply ignore such requests, knowing that the auto-responder had taken care of it. This could drive posters to python-list or p

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
03.03.20 01:03, Skip Montanaro пише: Atm we don't have an index of ideas, apart from pep 3099, and I'm not sure we can make one (can we?), so I do not see a way to prevent this from happening. Maybe an informational PEP which briefly lists rejected ideas? There is a risk to accept this PEP a

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Kyle Stanley
> In most cases of a first-time poster that I've seen, the poster probably doesn't have the understanding needed to conduct a proper search of the mailing list. That's why I suggest responding with some genuine help (i.e. taking their idea at face value and explaining what's wrong with it). It mig

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:42 PM Bar Harel wrote: > What I usually do btw is just search on mailman. Perhaps we can guide > people to search on mailman before suggesting an idea? > We could add that suggestion to the "welcome to this list" email. I honestly don't know if we send out such emails, b

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Skip Montanaro
> Atm we don't have an index of ideas, apart from pep 3099, and I'm not sure we > can make one (can we?), so I do not see a way to prevent this from happening. Maybe an informational PEP which briefly lists rejected ideas? Presumably, they'd normally come up in python-ideas, python-list or python

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Bar Harel
What I usually do btw is just search on mailman. Perhaps we can guide people to search on mailman before suggesting an idea? On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:30 AM Bar Harel wrote: > I wrote it and take full responsibility, did not mean to be disrespectful. > Afterall, it's not what any of us are here

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Bar Harel
I wrote it and take full responsibility, did not mean to be disrespectful. Afterall, it's not what any of us are here for. For repeated suggestions though, that were rejected once or more in the past, what are the general guidelines of answering? In this case, apart from the rejection reason, we w