Just one note. Please don’t confuse illumos and the illumos community with
Oracle or Solaris. While the illumos code base owes its origins to Solaris,
that was due to the acts of Sun and not Oracle and today Oracle refuses to even
acknowledge the existence of illumos. illumos is fully open so
Le jeu. 29 oct. 2020 à 22:43, Victor Stinner a écrit :
> I propose to drop the Solaris support in Python to reduce the Python
> maintenance burden:
>
>https://bugs.python.org/issue42173
> (...)
Since I created the issue and the PR, and sent this email to
python-dev (one week ago), many Solari
Hi, that was me fixing Oracle Solaris related issues.
To be completely honest, I wasn't sure if you would be interested in some
of our patches, because I thought that Python works without issues on
Illumos based systems and our patches might be very Oracle Solaris
specific. It seems that I was wro
On 10/30/2020 5:08 PM, Garrett D'Amore via Python-Dev wrote:
I’m not on this list. But I have offered to help - if there are tasks that
need to be done to help this I can help put the weight of a commercial entity
behind it whether that involves assigning our developers to work on this,
helpi
> On Oct 30, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Gregory P. Smith wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:14 PM Raymond Hettinger
> wrote:
> FWIW, when the tracker issue landed with a PR, I became concerned that it
> would be applied without further discussion and without consulting users.
>
> An issue and a PR
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:30 PM Garrett D'Amore via Python-Dev <
python-dev@python.org> wrote:
> I’m not on this list. But I have offered to help - if there are tasks
> that need to be done to help this I can help put the weight of a commercial
> entity behind it whether that involves assigning o
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:14 PM Raymond Hettinger <
raymond.hettin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW, when the tracker issue landed with a PR, I became concerned that it
> would be applied without further discussion and without consulting users.
An issue and a PR doesn't simply mean "it is happening".
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:32 PM Gregory P. Smith wrote:
> I agree, remove Solaris support. Nobody willing to contribute seems
> interested.
>
*sniff* I spent a lot of professional time in front of SunOS and Solaris
screens. But yes, I agree. It seems time to give Solaris the boot.
Skip
__
I’m not on this list. But I have offered to help - if there are tasks that
need to be done to help this I can help put the weight of a commercial entity
behind it whether that involves assigning our developers to work on this,
helping pay for external developers to do so, or assisting with acce
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 20:13, Raymond Hettinger
wrote:
>
> I vote against removal.
>
> We have no compelling need to disrupt an entire community and ecosystem even
> though it it is small.
[...]
> Given this kind of user response, I think it would irresponsible to drop
> support.
I vote for lea
Here are a couple comments on the Twitter thread that warrant your attention.
Apparently, this is being used by the European Space Agency on their space
craft.
-- https://twitter.com/nikolaivk/status/1322094167980466178
"To be clear I will put some money where my mouth is. If we need to invest
I vote against removal.
We have no compelling need to disrupt an entire community and ecosystem even
though it it is small.
To anyone chiming in to say, yes drop the support, ask whether you've consulted
any of the users — they should have a say in the matter. It is better for them
to be a b
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 11:03 AM Brett Cannon wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:37 AM Pablo Galindo Salgado
> wrote:
>
>> >Two volunteer core developers and at least one buildbot would help a
>> > lot to ensure that Python is working on Solaris for real, and reduce
>> > the number of open Sol
> Am 30.10.2020 um 19:13 schrieb Gregory P. Smith :
>
>
>
> FWIW making a PR that adds platform specific test skips or expected failure
> decorators is a good way to start bringing up new buildbots. It serves as
> effective documentation of what does and doesn't work that lives directly in
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:26 AM Sebastian Wiedenroth
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've already commented on the issue, but want to make a few more points
> here as well.
>
> Removing Solaris support would not only impact Oracle Solaris but the open
> source illumos community as well.
> Both systems share the
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:37 AM Pablo Galindo Salgado
wrote:
> >Two volunteer core developers and at least one buildbot would help a
> > lot to ensure that Python is working on Solaris for real, and reduce
> > the number of open Solaris issues. If it happens, I'm perfectly fine
> > with keeping S
Hi,
I've already commented on the issue, but want to make a few more points here as
well.
Removing Solaris support would not only impact Oracle Solaris but the open
source illumos community as well.
Both systems share the "SunOS" uname for historical reasons. Removing support
would be a disast
Le ven. 30 oct. 2020 à 14:28, Ronald Oussoren a écrit :
> Whoa, not so fast. I’m not volunteering work on Solaris support ;-).
Oh sorry, I misunderstood your message :-(
> That said, I’m willing to review Solaris PRs (time permitting) but cannot
> test if changes actually work.
"Cannot test"
>Two volunteer core developers and at least one buildbot would help a
> lot to ensure that Python is working on Solaris for real, and reduce
> the number of open Solaris issues. If it happens, I'm perfectly fine
> with keeping Solaris support.
> I also hope that more people will contribute to maint
> On 30 Oct 2020, at 13:54, Victor Stinner wrote:
>
> Hi Ronald,
>
> Le ven. 30 oct. 2020 à 12:59, Ronald Oussoren a
> écrit :
>> I agree. That’s what I tried to write, its not just providing a buildbot but
>> also making sure that it keeps working and stays green.
>
> This is really great
Hi Ronald,
Le ven. 30 oct. 2020 à 12:59, Ronald Oussoren a écrit :
> I agree. That’s what I tried to write, its not just providing a buildbot but
> also making sure that it keeps working and stays green.
This is really great!
Jesús Cea Avión is also a volunteer to maintain the Solaris (see the
> On 30 Oct 2020, at 10:34, Pablo Galindo Salgado wrote:
>
> Regarding having a Solaris buildbot: if someone provides a Solaris buildbot
> then the deal is that that someone or some other party must look after that
> buildbot and fix problems that appear in it in a timely manner. Broken
> bu
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:34:37 +
Pablo Galindo Salgado wrote:
> Regarding having a Solaris buildbot: if someone provides a Solaris buildbot
> then the deal is that that someone or some other party must look after that
> buildbot and fix problems that appear in it in a timely manner. Broken
> bui
Regarding having a Solaris buildbot: if someone provides a Solaris buildbot
then the deal is that that someone or some other party must look after that
buildbot and fix problems that appear in it in a timely manner. Broken
buildbots stop releases and I don't want to be in a situation in which I
nee
> On 29 Oct 2020, at 22:43, Victor Stinner wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I propose to drop the Solaris support in Python to reduce the Python
> maintenance burden:
>
> https://bugs.python.org/issue42173
>
> I wrote a draft PR to show how much code could be removed (around 700
> lines in 65 files):
>
On 30/10/2020 08.58, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
> It would make life of Illumos and OpenIndiana developers much harder,
> that can be seen hostile to open source community. It would make the
> code of CPython more rigid, virtually Linux-only with Windows and MacOS
> patches, and as a side effect can m
29.10.20 23:43, Victor Stinner пише:
> * Current best effort support (no change): changes only happen if a
> core dev volunteers to review and merge a change written by a
> contributor.
It is my preference.
Several years ago I tested and fixed Python on OpenIndiana in virtual
machine, but I was n
+1 to remove support for Solaris going forward. 4 years is plenty of time
to wait for someone to volunteer to maintain it, IMO. So my preference
would be for option 3 to remove it now, but I wouldn't be opposed to option
2 either w/ deprecating support and waiting a couple versions to remove it.
I'
I agree, remove Solaris support. Nobody willing to contribute seems
interested.
-gps
--
blame half the typos on my phone.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 2:50 PM Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I propose to drop the Solaris support in Python to reduce the Python
> maintenance burden:
>
>https://bugs
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