Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Aahz pythoncraft.com> writes: > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: > >> > >> You will note that what > >> I suggested was that applications that _use the sync feature_ make > >> it user controllable. > > > > I'm sorry, but if it has nothing

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread Aahz
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: >> >> You will note that what >> I suggested was that applications that _use the sync feature_ make >> it user controllable. > > I'm sorry, but if it has nothing to do with Python itself, perhaps we > could stop

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 at 12:27, Antoine Pitrou wrote: R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: You will note that what I suggested was that applications that _use the sync feature_ make it user controllable. I'm sorry, but if it has nothing to do with Python itself, perhaps we could stop this sub

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread Antoine Pitrou
R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: > > You will note that what > I suggested was that applications that _use the sync feature_ make > it user controllable. I'm sorry, but if it has nothing to do with Python itself, perhaps we could stop this subthread (or move it to another ML)? There are eno

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 at 14:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:02:26 pm R. David Murray wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 at 00:35, Antoine Pitrou wrote: R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: Seriously, though, the point is that IMO an application should not be calling fsync unless it p

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread Lie Ryan
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:02:26 pm R. David Murray wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 at 00:35, Antoine Pitrou wrote: R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: Seriously, though, the point is that IMO an application should not be calling fsync unless it provides a way for that behavio

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-12 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:02:26 pm R. David Murray wrote: > On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 at 00:35, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: > >> Seriously, though, the point is that IMO an application should not > >> be calling fsync unless it provides a way for that behavior to be > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-12 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 at 00:35, Antoine Pitrou wrote: R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: Seriously, though, the point is that IMO an application should not be calling fsync unless it provides a way for that behavior to be controlled by the user. But whether an application does it or not is

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 13Mar2009 00:35, Antoine Pitrou wrote: | R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: | > Seriously, though, the point is that IMO an application should not be | > calling fsync unless it provides a way for that behavior to be controlled | > by the user. | | But whether an application does it or not

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-12 Thread Antoine Pitrou
R. David Murray bitdance.com> writes: > > Seriously, though, the point is that IMO an application should not be > calling fsync unless it provides a way for that behavior to be controlled > by the user. But whether an application does it or not is none of Python's business, is it? What is the di

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-12 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 at 22:57, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: Cameron Simpson wrote: On 12Mar2009 22:09, Martin v. L?wis wrote: | > Let me try some examples. | > Suppose I'm running my applications on a laptop and I don't want the | > disk to be spinning continually while I work. I'm willing to take

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 12Mar2009 22:09, Martin v. L?wis wrote: > | > Let me try some examples. > | > Suppose I'm running my applications on a laptop and I don't want the > | > disk to be spinning continually while I work. I'm willing to take the > | > risk of data loss in order to extend my

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev] wait time [was: Ext4 data loss

2009-03-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 12Mar2009 22:09, Martin v. L?wis wrote: | > Let me try some examples. | > Suppose I'm running my applications on a laptop and I don't want the | > disk to be spinning continually while I work. I'm willing to take the | > risk of data loss in order to extend my battery life. | | So when you se