Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On 10/4/18 1:38 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote: On 3 Oct 2018, at 23:10, Terry Reedy > wrote: On 10/3/2018 8:12 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: Hello, I would like to propose Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580, titled "The C call protocol". He has co-authored several PEPs

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

> On 4 Oct 2018, at 08:14, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > I was figuring we could treat it as a caretaker mode governance: anything we > do before the new governance model is formalised is subject to ratification > by the new council members (or the new BDFL if that option ends up being > chosen).

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 23:10, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 10/3/2018 8:12 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> Hello, >> I would like to propose Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580, titled >> "The C call protocol". He has co-authored several PEPs (PEP 394, PEP 489, >> PEP 534, PEP 547, PEP 573), seve

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On 10/3/18 2:12 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: Hello, I would like to propose Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580, titled "The C call protocol". He has co-authored several PEPs (PEP 394, PEP 489, PEP 534, PEP 547, PEP 573), several of which involve extension modules. Petr has agreed to be

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On 2018-10-03 23:27, Guido van Rossum wrote: IMO changes to the C API should be taken just as seriously -- the potential for breaking the world is just about the same (since most serious Python applications use C extensions that risk breaking). Of course we are taking this seriously. I want thi

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On 2018-10-03 18:55, Barry Warsaw wrote: Correct. It’s entirely possible that the different governance models will have different ways to pick delegates. And how does that affect *today*'s decision? The new governance model will only take effect 1 January (assuming that everything goes as pl

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On Thu., 4 Oct. 2018, 4:12 am Antoine Pitrou, wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 22:51:24 +0900 > INADA Naoki wrote: > > 2018年10月3日(水) 21:24 Jeroen Demeyer : > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > I am well aware of the current governance issues, but several people > > > have mentioned that the BDFL-Delega

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

Well, it's not my call any more, so I'll happily stop arguing. On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:19 PM Terry Reedy wrote: > On 10/3/2018 5:27 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:13 PM Terry Reedy > > wrote: > > > > A language syntax-change proposal would

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On 10/3/2018 5:27 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:13 PM Terry Reedy > wrote: A language syntax-change proposal would be something else. IMO changes to the C API should be taken just as seriously -- the potential for breaking the world is just

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:13 PM Terry Reedy wrote: > A language syntax-change proposal would be something else. > IMO changes to the C API should be taken just as seriously -- the potential for breaking the world is just about the same (since most serious Python applications use C extensions that

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On 10/3/2018 8:12 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: Hello, I would like to propose Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580, titled "The C call protocol". He has co-authored several PEPs (PEP 394, PEP 489, PEP 534, PEP 547, PEP 573), several of which involve extension modules. Petr has agreed to

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 22:51:24 +0900 INADA Naoki wrote: > 2018年10月3日(水) 21:24 Jeroen Demeyer : > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am well aware of the current governance issues, but several people > > have mentioned that the BDFL-Delegate process can still continue for > > now. > > > Really? > I don't k

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On Oct 3, 2018, at 08:06, Łukasz Langa wrote: > >> On 3 Oct 2018, at 15:51, INADA Naoki wrote: >> >> Really? >> I don't know process to assign BDFL-delegate without BDFL. > > My understand is that accepting *any* PEP by anyone is out of the question > until the governance situation gets resol

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On 2018-10-03 17:06, Łukasz Langa wrote: That's the only reason why PEP 544 is not yet accepted for example. Did you actually try to get PEP 544 accepted or to appoint a BDFL-Delegate? I don't find any discussions about PEP 544 after the stepping down of the BDFL. ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On 2018-10-03 17:12, Wes Turner wrote: > AFAIU, there is not yet a documented process for BDFL-delegate assignment. PEP 1 says: """ However, whenever a new PEP is put forward, any core developer that believes they are suitably experienced to make the final decision on that PEP may offer to serve

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, INADA Naoki wrote: > > 2018年10月3日(水) 21:24 Jeroen Demeyer : > >> Hello, >> >> >> I am well aware of the current governance issues, but several people >> have mentioned that the BDFL-Delegate process can still continue for >> now. > > > Really? > I don't know process

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 17:06, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > My understand is 🤦🏻‍♂️ ...and no ability to edit to correct it. It's like this forever now, my grand children will ridicule me for this. - Ł signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 15:51, INADA Naoki wrote: > > > 2018年10月3日(水) 21:24 Jeroen Demeyer >: > Hello, > > > I am well aware of the current governance issues, but several people > have mentioned that the BDFL-Delegate process can still continue for > now. > > Really?

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

2018年10月3日(水) 21:24 Jeroen Demeyer : > Hello, > > > I am well aware of the current governance issues, but several people > have mentioned that the BDFL-Delegate process can still continue for > now. Really? I don't know process to assign BDFL-delegate without BDFL. This PEP is mainly for third

Re: [Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to propose Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580, titled > "The C call protocol". He has co-authored several PEPs (PEP 394, PEP 489, > PEP 534, PEP 547, PEP 573), several of which involve extension modules. > > Pe

[Python-Dev] Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580

Hello, I would like to propose Petr Viktorin as BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580, titled "The C call protocol". He has co-authored several PEPs (PEP 394, PEP 489, PEP 534, PEP 547, PEP 573), several of which involve extension modules. Petr has agreed to become BDFL-Delegate for PEP 580 if asked. Al