Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-09-03 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 4 September 2014 12:21, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014, at 17:03, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> On 1 September 2014 08:00, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> > Earlier versions of PEP 453 proposed bootstrapping pip into a Python 2.7 >> > maintenance release in addition to including it with Python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-09-03 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014, at 17:03, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 1 September 2014 08:00, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Earlier versions of PEP 453 proposed bootstrapping pip into a Python 2.7 > > maintenance release in addition to including it with Python 3.4. > > > > That part of the proposal proved to be contr

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-09-03 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 1 September 2014 08:00, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Earlier versions of PEP 453 proposed bootstrapping pip into a Python 2.7 > maintenance release in addition to including it with Python 3.4. > > That part of the proposal proved to be controversial, so we dropped it from > the original PEP in order t

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-09-03 Thread Chris Barker
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > However, we still think we should start providing pip by default to Python > 2.7 users as well, at least as part of the Windows and Mac OS X installers. > serious +1 here. Just last night I was writing up notes for an intro to python class

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-09-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 1 Sep 2014 17:31, "Donald Stufft" wrote: > > >> On Sep 1, 2014, at 2:22 AM, Ned Deily wrote: >> >> >> And that is a minor complication compared with the confusion and >> difficulty of trying to explain to users (stuck with 2.7 for the time >> being) of how to install third-party packages on ea

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-09-01 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Sep 1, 2014, at 2:22 AM, Ned Deily wrote: > > In article > >, > Nick Coghlan mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On 1 Sep 2014 09:23, "Benjamin Peterson" wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014, at 16:17, Antoine Pitrou

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-08-31 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 1 Sep 2014 09:23, "Benjamin Peterson" wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2014, at 16:17, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:00:14 +1000 > > > Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > > > > > > That part of the proposal proved to be controversial, so we dropped > i

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-08-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 1 Sep 2014 09:23, "Benjamin Peterson" wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2014, at 16:17, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:00:14 +1000 > > Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > > > > That part of the proposal proved to be controversial, so we dropped it from > > > the original PEP in order to focus

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-08-31 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014, at 16:17, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:00:14 +1000 > Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > > That part of the proposal proved to be controversial, so we dropped it from > > the original PEP in order to focus on meeting the Python 3.4 specific > > release deadlines. This

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-08-31 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:00:14 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > That part of the proposal proved to be controversial, so we dropped it from > the original PEP in order to focus on meeting the Python 3.4 specific > release deadlines. This also had the benefit of working out the kinks in > the bootstrapp

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-08-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 8/31/2014 6:00 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Earlier versions of PEP 453 proposed bootstrapping pip into a Python 2.7 maintenance release in addition to including it with Python 3.4. That part of the proposal proved to be controversial, so we dropped it from the original PEP in order to focus on me

[Python-Dev] PEP 477: selected ensurepip backports for Python 2.7

2014-08-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
Earlier versions of PEP 453 proposed bootstrapping pip into a Python 2.7 maintenance release in addition to including it with Python 3.4. That part of the proposal proved to be controversial, so we dropped it from the original PEP in order to focus on meeting the Python 3.4 specific release deadli