Re: [Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread Nam Nguyen
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:22 AM, MRAB wrote: > On 08/10/2013 23:21, Tim Delaney wrote: > >> On 9 October 2013 09:10, Guido van Rossum > > wrote: >> >> It's not actually so much the extreme waste that I'm looking to >> expose, but rather the day-to-day annoyances o

Re: [Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread MRAB
On 08/10/2013 23:21, Tim Delaney wrote: On 9 October 2013 09:10, Guido van Rossum mailto:gu...@python.org>> wrote: It's not actually so much the extreme waste that I'm looking to expose, but rather the day-to-day annoyances of stuff you use regularly that slows you down by just a sec

Re: [Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread Tim Delaney
On 9 October 2013 09:10, Guido van Rossum wrote: > It's not actually so much the extreme waste that I'm looking to expose, > but rather the day-to-day annoyances of stuff you use regularly that slows > you down by just a second (or ten), or things that gets slower at each > release. > Veering of

Re: [Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
It's not actually so much the extreme waste that I'm looking to expose, but rather the day-to-day annoyances of stuff you use regularly that slows you down by just a second (or ten), or things that gets slower at each release. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Daniel Holth wrote: > Sounds like you

Re: [Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread Daniel Holth
Sounds like you are suggesting we get a raspberry pi. All sorts of dumb waste shows up when you run code on those. El oct 8, 2013 4:46 p.m., "Guido van Rossum" escribió: > Let's agree to disagree then. I see your methodology used all around me > with often problematic results. Maybe devs should h

Re: [Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread Tim Delaney
On 9 October 2013 07:38, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Let's agree to disagree then. I see your methodology used all around me > with often problematic results. Maybe devs should have two machines -- one > monster that is *only* usable to develop fast, one small that where they > run their own apps (

Re: [Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
Let's agree to disagree then. I see your methodology used all around me with often problematic results. Maybe devs should have two machines -- one monster that is *only* usable to develop fast, one small that where they run their own apps (email, web browser etc.). On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM,

Re: [Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread Tim Delaney
On 9 October 2013 03:35, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > >> PS: I have always thought it sad that the ready availability of memory, >> CPU speed, and disk space tends to result in lazy programs. I understand >> there is an effort/value tradeoff,

[Python-Dev] On the dangers of giving developers the best resources

2013-10-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > PS: I have always thought it sad that the ready availability of memory, > CPU speed, and disk space tends to result in lazy programs. I understand > there is an effort/value tradeoff, and I make those tradeoffs myself > all the time...but i