Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.11.2010 18:27, schrieb Jesus Cea: > What is the impact in the buildbot architecture?. Slaves must do > anything?. At least they need to have mercurial installed, I guess. > > What, as a buildslave manager, must I do to ready my server for the > migration?. Apart from having Mercurial instal

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-21 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What is the impact in the buildbot architecture?. Slaves must do anything?. At least they need to have mercurial installed, I guess. What, as a buildslave manager, must I do to ready my server for the migration?. - -- Jesus Cea Avion

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-20 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > I'm at it.  In fact, I think I will merge both todo.txt and tasks.txt > into the PEP.  It's not more of a burden to update it there, and it's > more visible to the developer community. The latest checkin was definitely an improvement (especia

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/11/19 "Martin v. Löwis" : >> Maybe I misremembered Martin's suggestion, and he was only talking about >> security releases. > > Technically, I was only talking about 2.5. For each branch, the > respective release manager should make a decision. For 2.5 and 2.6, > it's been decided; Benjamin ha

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le vendredi 19 novembre 2010 à 22:35 +0100, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit : > > I don't understand all the worry about sys.subversion. > > Really? For a security release, there should be *zero* chance that it > breaks existing applications, It should have been clear that my message explicitly exclude

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 22:35, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": >> I don't understand all the worry about sys.subversion. > > Really? For a security release, there should be *zero* chance that it > breaks existing applications, unless the application relies on the > security bug that has been fixed. By "zero chan

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I don't understand all the worry about sys.subversion. Really? For a security release, there should be *zero* chance that it breaks existing applications, unless the application relies on the security bug that has been fixed. By "zero chance", I mean absolutely no chance, never. I'm pretty sure

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Maybe I misremembered Martin's suggestion, and he was only talking about > security releases. Technically, I was only talking about 2.5. For each branch, the respective release manager should make a decision. For 2.5 and 2.6, it's been decided; Benjamin has not yet announced plans how 2.7 and 3.

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 05:50, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: >>> 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>>

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Éric Araujo
> I don't understand all the worry about sys.subversion. It's not like > it's useful to anybody else than us, and I think it should have been > named sys._subversion instead. There's no point in making API-like > promises about which DVCS, bug tracker or documentation toolset we use > for our workf

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:41:58 -0500 Barry Warsaw wrote: > >Really? I can understand this for security-only branches (commits there will > >be rare, and equivalent commits to the Mercurial branches can be made by > >others than the release managers, in order to keep history consistent). > > > >But

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 19, 2010, at 06:12 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >Am 19.11.2010 15:46, schrieb Barry Warsaw: >> On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >>>- date SVN will go read only >> >> Please note that svn cannot be made completely read-only. We've already >> decided that versions already in

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 15:46, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > >>- date SVN will go read only > > Please note that svn cannot be made completely read-only. We've already > decided that versions already in maintenance or security-only mode (2.5, 2.6, > 2.7, 3.1)

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 15:36, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": >> - date Hg will be available for write access (it should be frozen for >> a while, to give the folks doing the conversion a chance to make sure >> buildbot is back up and run, commit emails are working properly, etc) > > I would target the build sl

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 16:00, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 15:56, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> That's enough to make folks like me somewhat nervous as to whether or >> not we're actually going to have a usable source control system come >> December 12. > > Yes, I've been negligent about up

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread John Arbash Meinel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/19/2010 7:50 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >> Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: >>> 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 08:58, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: >> 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea : >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 18/11/10 18:32, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers th

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 15:56, Nick Coghlan wrote: > That's enough to make folks like me somewhat nervous as to whether or > not we're actually going to have a usable source control system come > December 12. Yes, I've been negligent about updating the PEP. I'll try do so next week. Georg, if you

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > >>- date SVN will go read only > > Please note that svn cannot be made completely read-only.  We've already > decided that versions already in maintenance or security-only mode (2.5, 2.6, >

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >- date SVN will go read only Please note that svn cannot be made completely read-only. We've already decided that versions already in maintenance or security-only mode (2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 3.1) will get updates and releases only via svn. But only th

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> - date Hg will be available for write access (it should be frozen for > a while, to give the folks doing the conversion a chance to make sure > buildbot is back up and run, commit emails are working properly, etc) I would target the build slaves to the Mercurial repository already in the testing

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: >> 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea : >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 18/11/10 18:32, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunte

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: > 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea : >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 18/11/10 18:32, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that >>> are interested in working on the infrastructure.

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: > 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea : >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 18/11/10 18:32, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that >>> are interested in working on the infrastructure.

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/11/18 Jesus Cea : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 18/11/10 18:32, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that >> are interested in working on the infrastructure. I wish some of the >> people who stated that they can't

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that > are interested in working on the infrastructure. I wish some of the > people who stated that they can't wait for the migration to happen

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Therefore, I'm concerned that I will have to work out all the details >> on my own, just so that I can produce the b2 binaries (says); this is >> not something I look forward to. > > How much does the binary build process really depend on version control? > I.e., what would be stopping you from

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.11.2010 18:32, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": >>> Alternatively, b1 should be postponed until after the Mercurial >>> migration is done. >> >> I think this "new feature" is not so shocking that it can be used as >> an argument to hold up the migration. If you have another reason to >> stop the m

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Alternatively, b1 should be postponed until after the Mercurial >> migration is done. > > I think this "new feature" is not so shocking that it can be used as > an argument to hold up the migration. If you have another reason to > stop the migration please say so; personally I can't wait for it

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.11.2010 17:25, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis": > Am 17.11.2010 08:18, schrieb Georg Brandl: >> Am 16.11.2010 19:38, schrieb Jesus Cea: >>> Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. >>> >>> Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? >> >> I've been trying to contact Dirkjan

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:25 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Am 17.11.2010 08:18, schrieb Georg Brandl: >> Am 16.11.2010 19:38, schrieb Jesus Cea: >>> Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. >>> >>> Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? >> >> I've been trying to conta

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 17.11.2010 08:18, schrieb Georg Brandl: > Am 16.11.2010 19:38, schrieb Jesus Cea: >> Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. >> >> Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? > > I've been trying to contact Dirkjan and ask; generally, I don't > see much connection to th

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-17 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 13:51, Jesus Cea wrote: > I can't find the mail now, but I remember that months ago the Mercurial > migration schedule was mid-december. I wonder if there is any update. I'm still aiming for that date. I've had some problems getting the test repository together. It's almos

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-17 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/11/10 08:18, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 16.11.2010 19:38, schrieb Jesus Cea: >> Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. >> >> Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? > > I've been trying to contact Dirkjan and ask; gen

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.11.2010 19:38, schrieb Jesus Cea: > Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. > > Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? I've been trying to contact Dirkjan and ask; generally, I don't see much connection to the 3.2 schedule (with the exception that the final mig

[Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-16 Thread Jesus Cea
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