Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:06:09 -0600 Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > > Indeed, sorry, I didn't follow too closely. It's worth considering > what would be the obvious next goal. This repo changed (and I believe > you're the main person according to the change log) to provide python > 3 support. On the o

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le lundi 21 mars 2011 à 16:21 -0600, Maciej Fijalkowski a écrit : >> The original idea was to converge and have the >> common repo on hg.python.org, but since unladen run out of steam, >> nobody bothered to update the hg.python.org one so we

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> 3. Several benchmarks (at least the Django and Twisted ones) have >> dependencies which are not (yet) ported to 3.x and porting those >> dependencies during GSoC as part of this project is an unrealistic >> goal. Should those benchmarks, at least for now, be ignored? >> > > IMHO: Yes. I think M

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le lundi 21 mars 2011 à 16:21 -0600, Maciej Fijalkowski a écrit : > The original idea was to converge and have the > common repo on hg.python.org, but since unladen run out of steam, > nobody bothered to update the hg.python.org one so we continued on our > own. I'm not sure who is "nobody" in tha

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM, DasIch wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:33:55 +0100 >> DasIch wrote: >>> >>> 3. Several benchmarks (at least the Django and Twisted ones) have >>> dependencies which are not (yet) ported to 3.x and porting

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread DasIch
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:33:55 +0100 > DasIch wrote: >> >> 3. Several benchmarks (at least the Django and Twisted ones) have >> dependencies which are not (yet) ported to 3.x and porting those >> dependencies during GSoC as part of this proje

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:30:45 -0500 s...@pobox.com wrote: > > >> Is there any value in them as regression tests (maybe with more > >> elaborate inputs and/or longer runtimes)? > > Antoine> You mean to check behaviour or to check for performance > Antoine> regressions? > > Both. S

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread skip
>> Is there any value in them as regression tests (maybe with more >> elaborate inputs and/or longer runtimes)? Antoine> You mean to check behaviour or to check for performance Antoine> regressions? Both. Semantic regressions, and secondarily, performance regressions. I can unde

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le lundi 21 mars 2011 à 14:06 -0500, s...@pobox.com a écrit : > Antoine> Why not reuse the benchmarks in > Antoine> http://hg.python.org/benchmarks/ ? > > These looks like basically the same benchmarks as the Unladen Swallow folks > put together, right? Yes, it's basically the continuation of

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread skip
Antoine> Why not reuse the benchmarks in Antoine> http://hg.python.org/benchmarks/ ? These looks like basically the same benchmarks as the Unladen Swallow folks put together, right? Is there any value in them as regression tests (maybe with more elaborate inputs and/or longer runtimes)?

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le lundi 21 mars 2011 à 14:51 -0400, Jesse Noller a écrit : > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:33:55 +0100 > > DasIch wrote: > >> > >> 3. Several benchmarks (at least the Django and Twisted ones) have > >> dependencies which are not (yet) ported to

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Jesse Noller
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:33:55 +0100 > DasIch wrote: >> >> 3. Several benchmarks (at least the Django and Twisted ones) have >> dependencies which are not (yet) ported to 3.x and porting those >> dependencies during GSoC as part of this proje

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Jesse Noller
Some remarks below. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM, DasIch wrote: > Hello Guys, > I'm interested in participating in the Google Summer of Code this year > and I've been looking at projects in the Wiki, particularly > speed.pypy.org[1] as I'm very interested in the current VM > development. Howev

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:33:55 +0100 DasIch wrote: > > 3. Several benchmarks (at least the Django and Twisted ones) have > dependencies which are not (yet) ported to 3.x and porting those > dependencies during GSoC as part of this project is an unrealistic > goal. Should those benchmarks, at least

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:33 PM, DasIch wrote: > Hello Guys, > I'm interested in participating in the Google Summer of Code this year > and I've been looking at projects in the Wiki, particularly > speed.pypy.org[1] as I'm very interested in the current VM > development. However given my knowledg

[Python-Dev] GSoC: speed.python.org

2011-03-21 Thread DasIch
Hello Guys, I'm interested in participating in the Google Summer of Code this year and I've been looking at projects in the Wiki, particularly speed.pypy.org[1] as I'm very interested in the current VM development. However given my knowledge that project raised several questions: 1. Up until now t