Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-24 Thread Daniel (ajax) Diniz
Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Well, it seems to me that most of these steps are separated by manual > intervention (e.g. compile and run the test suite to check that everything > works > smoothly) Agreed. > so there's no real point in making a script out of them. The idea would be to provide scripts

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-24 Thread Daniel (ajax) Diniz
"Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Yes, I'm also quite grateful for the contributions I have received from > Daniel. Thank you Martin. I'm sure I'd still be going around in circles if it weren't for your guidance, and I'd be MIA after the first time I broke the tracker too. So thanks a lot for the support

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-24 Thread Daniel (ajax) Diniz
Nick Coghlan wrote: > Everything I've seen from Daniel so far seems to be about either making > things we already do more efficient, or else providing additional > features in ways that don't make the tools any more confusing for others > already used to a particular way of doing things. So he seem

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> P.S. I don't believe your claim that it forgot changesets. Could it be >> that it simply forgot adding files, and that it did so because you >> already had the files in the sandbox, so that the merging failed? > > It's more weird actually, it actively forgot some changes in some files but > so

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: > > P.S. I don't believe your claim that it forgot changesets. Could it be > that it simply forgot adding files, and that it did so because you > already had the files in the sandbox, so that the merging failed? It's more weird actually, it actively forgot so

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > P.P.S. Are you sure you have to re-merge when somebody commits > something unrelated to the branch? Or just when somebody else merges > as well? The latter is the only one I've ever had problems with (and that was due to me forgetting to update before merging rather than s

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> The real issues with svnmerge are its occasional bugs or failures (it forgot > some changesets when merging in the io-c branch!), its slowness, and its > limitations (which are really inherent to the SVN model: e.g., if someone > commits to the branch you have just started doing an svnmerge to, y

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Everything I've seen from Daniel so far seems to be about either making > things we already do more efficient, or else providing additional > features in ways that don't make the tools any more confusing for others > already used to a particular way of doing things. So he seems to be > navigating

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2009/3/23 Antoine Pitrou : > Guilherme Polo gmail.com> writes: >> >> Any chance you were not using the latest svnmerge when you did that >> merge ? I've had problems like this when using older versions. > > Well, actually, Benjamin did the merge, so perhaps he can give more info. I was using the

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Guilherme Polo gmail.com> writes: > > Any chance you were not using the latest svnmerge when you did that > merge ? I've had problems like this when using older versions. Well, actually, Benjamin did the merge, so perhaps he can give more info. Regards Antoine. __

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Guilherme Polo
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hi, > > Daniel (ajax) Diniz gmail.com> writes: >> >> But the real point is that, regardless of underlying VCS, there is a >> choice between "having all core developers know by heart the right >> switches and order of steps to correctly ch

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hi, Daniel (ajax) Diniz gmail.com> writes: > > But the real point is that, regardless of underlying VCS, there is a > choice between "having all core developers know by heart the right > switches and order of steps to correctly checkout/update ->( branch > locally) -> fix -> diff -> commit -> m

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Daniel (ajax) Diniz
Thanks for the feedback, Antoine! Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Daniel (ajax) Diniz gmail.com> writes: >> >>   Sometimes, non-obvious bits like the right sequence of svnmerge >> commands, the right way to link a Rietveld code review to a given >> issue or checking for correct autoconf version might get

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Daniel (ajax) Diniz gmail.com> writes: > > Sometimes, non-obvious bits like the right sequence of svnmerge > commands, the right way to link a Rietveld code review to a given > issue or checking for correct autoconf version might get in the way of > real development. Well, really, rather than

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Daniel (ajax) Diniz
C. Titus Brown wrote: > Given the relative paucity of core Python GSoC ideas, I think you should > go for both of these, *especially* if you have a mentor up front.  So, > write 'em up, add 'em to the GSoC page, and let's see who we get... > If we get good applications for both, then I think we can

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Arc Riley
> Oh, I heartily endorse his suggestions! I just want to make sure that we > make maximum use of students (and their code doesn't get tossed at the > end of the summer, which has serious morale consequences ;) This is my concern as well. One of my past students pitched a core project and ended u

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:26:54PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: -> C. Titus Brown wrote: -> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:30:01PM -0300, Daniel (ajax) Diniz wrote: -> > I do think you should be prepared for pushback from python-dev on any -> > such ideas ;). Don't get too ambitious about writing up *

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
C. Titus Brown wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:30:01PM -0300, Daniel (ajax) Diniz wrote: > I do think you should be prepared for pushback from python-dev on any > such ideas ;). Don't get too ambitious about writing up *your* way of > fixing things, but rather make sure you and the students ar

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-22 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:30:01PM -0300, Daniel (ajax) Diniz wrote: -> Even if neither is considered worthy, I'll keep them on my to-do list -> and hope to slowly and hackishly work towards both proposals' goals. -> Barring feedback saying that they're out of scope, stupid and -> downright offensi

[Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools

2009-03-22 Thread Daniel (ajax) Diniz
Hi, I'd like to bring up the general idea of using a PSF slot in GSoC2009 to improve the Python development infrastructure. I also happen to have two concrete proposals for that (such a coincidence!). But I assure you the general idea is more important than my proposals :) General: Solving issues