Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-10 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/10/2010 2:48 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: Closing the backport requests is fine. For the feature requests, I'd only close them *after* the 2.7 release (after determining t

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 10, 2010, at 09:01 AM, Steve Holden wrote: >The current stumbling block isn't the language itself, it's the lack of >support from third-party libraries. GSoC is addressing some of these >issues, but so far we (the PSF, the dev community, anybody else except >R. David Murray) haven't really

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Closing the backport requests is fine. For the feature requests, I'd only >> close them *after* the 2.7 release (after determining that they won't apply >> to 3.x, of course)

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: > Yes, closing the tickets as "won't fix" and tagging them as > "will-never-happen-in-2.x" or something, is the best combination of > both worlds: it will clean the tracker and ease further developments, > and will allow anybody to pick up tho

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Closing the backport requests is fine. For the feature requests, I'd only > close them *after* the 2.7 release (after determining that they won't apply > to 3.x, of course). > > There aren't that many backport requests, anyway, are there?

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Holden
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jun 09, 2010, at 01:15 AM, Fred Drake wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: >>> it would still be a good idea to >>> introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this >>> deviating from the process, but it could be an option consi

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Holden
Terry Reedy wrote: > On 6/9/2010 10:42 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>> Steve Holden wrote How does throwing away information represent "moving forward"? > > 'Closing' a tracker issue does not 'throw away' information', it *adds* > information as to current intention. > >> It's certainly not

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Holden
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jun 09, 2010, at 09:13 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: > >> Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >>> Note that Python 2.7 will be *maintained* for a very long time, which >>> should satisfy those folks who still require Python 2. Anybody on >>> older (and currently unmaintained) versions of P

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 09.06.2010 05:58, schrieb Alexandre Vassalotti: Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to 2.x. Closing the backport requests is fine. For the feature requests, I'd only close them *after* the 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
It might be useful to copy the identifiers and URLs of all the backport request tickets into some other repository, or to create some unique state in roundup for these. Rationale: it's almost certain that if the existing Python core maintainers won't evolve Python 2.X past 2.7, some other group

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:40, Eric Smith wrote: >> On 6/9/2010 4:07 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Closed issues are not lost. They can still be searched and the result >> downloaded. >> >>> A keyword would do.  Please don't add a status or something like that, >>> though. >> >> I believe Type:

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Eric Smith
> On 6/9/2010 4:07 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Closed issues are not lost. They can still be searched and the result > downloaded. > >> A keyword would do. Please don't add a status or something like that, >> though. > > I believe Type: feature request; Version: 2.7; Resolution wont fix > sho

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/9/2010 10:42 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> Steve Holden wrote How does throwing away information represent "moving forward"? 'Closing' a tracker issue does not 'throw away' information', it *adds* information as to current intention. It's certainly not fair to require all core developer

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/9/2010 4:07 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Chris McDonough writes: > It might be useful to copy the identifiers and URLs of all the backport > request tickets into some other repository, or to create some unique > state in roundup for these. Closed issues are not lost. They can s

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2010/6/8 Alexandre Vassalotti : >> Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the >> tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to >> 2.x. > > Not from the core development team. The current plan

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 08:12, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jun 09, 2010, at 04:42 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>Many of them are not keen on having to maintain Python2 for much >>longer, but some of them may have assets codified in Python2 >>or interests based Python2 that they'll want to keep for >>mo

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jun 09, 2010, at 09:13 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: > >>Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >>> Note that Python 2.7 will be *maintained* for a very long time, which >>> should satisfy those folks who still require Python 2.  Anybody on >>> older (and curre

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 09, 2010, at 09:13 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: >Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> Note that Python 2.7 will be *maintained* for a very long time, which >> should satisfy those folks who still require Python 2. Anybody on >> older (and currently unmaintained) versions of Python 2 will not care >> about

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Bill Janssen
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jun 09, 2010, at 04:42 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > >Many of them are not keen on having to maintain Python2 for much > >longer, but some of them may have assets codified in Python2 > >or interests based Python2 that they'll want to keep for > >more than just another 5 y

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 09, 2010, at 04:42 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >Many of them are not keen on having to maintain Python2 for much >longer, but some of them may have assets codified in Python2 >or interests based Python2 that they'll want to keep for >more than just another 5 years. > >E.g. we still have custom

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Michael Foord wrote: >> How does throwing away information represent "moving forward"? > > I'm inclined to agree. There is no *need* to close these tickets now. > >> I have to say I am surprised by the current lack of momentum behind 3.x, >> but I do know users who consider that their current inv

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 09, 2010, at 01:15 AM, Fred Drake wrote: >On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: >> it would still be a good idea to >> introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this >> deviating from the process, but it could be an option considering that >> 2.7 is the las

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Foord
On 09/06/2010 13:56, Steve Holden wrote: Paul Moore wrote: On 9 June 2010 07:26, Chris McDonough wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 01:15 -0400, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: it would still be a good idea to introduce some of

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Holden
Paul Moore wrote: > On 9 June 2010 07:26, Chris McDonough wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 01:15 -0400, Fred Drake wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran >>> wrote: it would still be a good idea to introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this d

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Facundo Batista
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On that basis I'm +1 on Alexandre's proposal. A 3rd party planning on > working on a 2.8 release (not that I think such a party currently > exists) can step up and extract the relevant tickets for their later > reference if they feel the need. L

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Paul Moore
On 9 June 2010 07:26, Chris McDonough wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 01:15 -0400, Fred Drake wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: >> > it would still be a good idea to >> > introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this >> > deviating from the process,

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Chris McDonough writes: > It might be useful to copy the identifiers and URLs of all the backport > request tickets into some other repository, or to create some unique > state in roundup for these. A keyword would do. Please don't add a status or something like that, though. __

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-08 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 01:15 -0400, Fred Drake wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > > it would still be a good idea to > > introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this > > deviating from the process, but it could be an option considering that > > 2.7 i

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-08 Thread Fred Drake
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > it would still be a good idea to > introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this > deviating from the process, but it could be an option considering that > 2.7 is the last of 2.x release. I disagree. If there are going to

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-08 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: > Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the > tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to You mean, simply mark them as Wont-Fix and close. I doubt, if this is desirable action to take.

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/6/8 Alexandre Vassalotti : > Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the > tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to > 2.x. Not from the core development team. -- Regards, Benjamin ___ Python-De

[Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-08 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to 2.x. -- Alexandre ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-de