Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-12-05 Thread Talin
Talin wrote: > What I am doing right now is creating a new extension project using > setuputils, and keeping notes on what I do. So for example, I start by > creating the directory structure: > > mkdir myproject > cd myproject > mkdir src > mkdir test I'd forgotten about this un

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-28 Thread Talin
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Talin schrieb: >> To that extent, it can be useful sometimes to have someone who is in the >> process of learning how to use the system, and who is willing to >> carefully analyze and write down their own experiences while doing so. > > I readily agree that the document

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Talin schrieb: > To that extent, it can be useful sometimes to have someone who is in the > process of learning how to use the system, and who is willing to > carefully analyze and write down their own experiences while doing so. I readily agree that the documentation can be improved, and appla

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-27 Thread Talin
Mike Orr wrote: > On 11/27/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Talin schrieb: >>> As far as rewriting it goes - I can only rewrite things that I understand. >> So if you want this to change, you obviously need to understand the >> entire distutils. It's possible to do that; some peo

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-27 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/27/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Talin schrieb: > > As far as rewriting it goes - I can only rewrite things that I understand. > > So if you want this to change, you obviously need to understand the > entire distutils. It's possible to do that; some people have done > it

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Talin schrieb: > As far as rewriting it goes - I can only rewrite things that I understand. So if you want this to change, you obviously need to understand the entire distutils. It's possible to do that; some people have done it (the "understanding" part) - just go ahead and start reading source c

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Talin
Mike Orr wrote: > On 11/26/06, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have noticed, however, that a signficant number of help requests for >> setuptools can be answered by internal links to one of its manuals -- and >> when a topic comes up that isn't in the manual, I usually add it. > > H

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/26/06, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have noticed, however, that a signficant number of help requests for > setuptools can be answered by internal links to one of its manuals -- and > when a topic comes up that isn't in the manual, I usually add it. Hmm, I may have a couple t

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:21 PM 11/26/2006 -0800, Mike Orr wrote: >A comprehensive third-party manual that integrates the documentation >would be a good place to start. Even the outline of such a manual >would be a good. That would give a common baseline of understanding >for package users, package developers, and cor

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Mike Orr
On 11/26/06, Talin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been looking once again over the docs for distutils and setuptools, > and thinking to myself "this seems a lot more complicated than it ought > to be". > > Before I get into detail, however, I want to explain carefully the scope > of my critique

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Talin
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Talin wrote: > >> But it isn't just the docs that are at fault here - otherwise, I'd be >> posting this on a different mailing list. It seems like the whole >> architecture is 'diff'-based, a series of patches on top of patches, >> which are in need of some serious refact

Re: [Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Talin wrote: > But it isn't just the docs that are at fault here - otherwise, I'd be > posting this on a different mailing list. It seems like the whole > architecture is 'diff'-based, a series of patches on top of patches, > which are in need of some serious refactoring. so to summarize, you

[Python-Dev] Distribution tools: What I would like to see

2006-11-26 Thread Talin
I've been looking once again over the docs for distutils and setuptools, and thinking to myself "this seems a lot more complicated than it ought to be". Before I get into detail, however, I want to explain carefully the scope of my critique - in particular, why I am talking about setuptools on