Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

> -Original Message- > From: Nick Coghlan [mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com] > > > 2. Feature enhancement to 2.8. Take a robust and popular version of > > python and add some of the language goodies that have been added to > > 3.x and that don’t have an inherent 3.x aspect. Yield from.

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Apr 18, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:04:10 + > Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: >> >> 2. Feature enhancement to 2.8. Take a robust and popular version of >> python and add some of the language goodies that have been added to 3.x and >> that don’

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:04:10 + Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: > > 2. Feature enhancement to 2.8. Take a robust and popular version of > python and add some of the language goodies that have been added to 3.x and > that don’t have an inherent 3.x aspect. Yield from. New exception mod

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On 18 April 2014 08:04, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: > Here, a week later, are some of my thoughts from the summit, for the record: > 1. An aid in the conversion from 2.x series to 3.x series. Enabling a > bunch of warnings and such by default. Perhaps allowing 3.x syntax in some > places

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

[mailto:python-dev-bounces+kristjan=ccpgames@python.org] On Behalf Of Guido van Rossum Sent: 10. apríl 2014 01:08 To: Python-Dev Subject: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if you took them just for yourself, would you mind

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > What does this mean exactly? Under OS X and Linux, Python is typically > installed by default. Under OS X, at least, I think there are valid reasons to not want to use the system-supplied Python. On my up-to-date OS X 10.9.2 machine, I s

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 01:23:13 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/16/2014 6:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > >> AP exams are starting to allow Python, but it's 10% of the AP CS exams. > > > > "AP"? > > (I thought that was me, but it sounds unlikely :-)) > > AP = Advanced Placement. US and Canadian h

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On 4/16/2014 6:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: AP exams are starting to allow Python, but it's 10% of the AP CS exams. "AP"? (I thought that was me, but it sounds unlikely :-)) AP = Advanced Placement. US and Canadian high school students who have taken advanced (AP) courses equivalent to Amer

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:38:21 -0700, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 15:26, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > Hi Taavi, > > > > Thanks for the report! > > > > > Disussion about packaging continues. Glyph asks if the PSF could fund a > > > usability study on installing Python. Pe

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Apr 16, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 15:26, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >> Hi Taavi, >> >> Thanks for the report! >> >>> Disussion about packaging continues. Glyph asks if the PSF could fund a >>> usability study on installing Python. People generally

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014, at 15:26, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hi Taavi, > > Thanks for the report! > > > Disussion about packaging continues. Glyph asks if the PSF could fund a > > usability study on installing Python. People generally seem to think > > it's a good idea. > > What does this mean exa

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

Hi Taavi, Thanks for the report! > Disussion about packaging continues. Glyph asks if the PSF could fund a > usability study on installing Python. People generally seem to think > it's a good idea. What does this mean exactly? Under OS X and Linux, Python is typically installed by default. And

[Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

I was the guy at the back taking pictures. I also took notes! :) Language Summit --- Intros ~~ Everyone starts by doing a 15 second intro. People are good and keep it short, and we make it through all ~40 people. People start introduce themselves saying "module X is my fault". G

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

Guido van Rossum, 10.04.2014 03:08: > - Jukka Lehtosalo gave a talk and answered questions about mypy, his design > and implementation of pragmatic type annotations (no new syntax required, > uses Python 3 function annotations). FWIW, signature type annotations aren't enough for a static compiler

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Hi, On 11 April 2014 19:55, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: >> Thanks, that clarification helps a lot. Does this mean that "API-mode" >> CFFI is competing with things like swig (which is not used much these >> days, as far as I know) and Cython (which is used a lot in the numeric >> community)? ("ABI-m

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On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 11 April 2014 10:36, Armin Rigo wrote: >> This would be superficial, but change the perception of CFFI to be "a >> preprocessor that produces C extension modules". > > Thanks, that clarification helps a lot. Does this mean that "API-mode" >

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On 11 April 2014 10:36, Armin Rigo wrote: > This would be superficial, but change the perception of CFFI to be "a > preprocessor that produces C extension modules". Thanks, that clarification helps a lot. Does this mean that "API-mode" CFFI is competing with things like swig (which is not used mu

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On 11 Apr 2014 05:39, "Armin Rigo" wrote: > > Hi, > > On 10 April 2014 22:12, Paul Moore wrote: > > I agree. I'd like to see a clear explanation of what advantages (and > > disadvantages!) CFFI gives over ctypes, as well as the plan for > > inclusion and how the inevitable confusion over whether

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Hi, On 10 April 2014 22:12, Paul Moore wrote: > I agree. I'd like to see a clear explanation of what advantages (and > disadvantages!) CFFI gives over ctypes, as well as the plan for > inclusion and how the inevitable confusion over whether to use ctypes > or cffi will be handled. (...) I can't

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On 10 Apr 2014 10:23, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > > Le 10/04/2014 13:24, Kushal Das a écrit : > >> >> At this time of discussion Nick pointed us to >> `http://speed.python.org/ `_, he asked if >> any of the implementations >> wants to maintain it. We need more volunteers fo

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On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote: >There's absolutely no reason to exempt CFFI, IMHO. On the contrary -- the >dependence on other 3rd party modules (PLY and pycparesr), and the related >dilemma of whether to expose each/both as stdlib modules or hide as >internal implementation de

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On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 10 April 2014 20:30, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > FWIW, I do hope there would be a PEP before including CFFI... Actually I > > don't understand what would justify an exemption. > > I agree. I'd like to see a clear explanation of what advantage

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On 10 April 2014 20:30, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > FWIW, I do hope there would be a PEP before including CFFI... Actually I > don't understand what would justify an exemption. I agree. I'd like to see a clear explanation of what advantages (and disadvantages!) CFFI gives over ctypes, as well as the

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

Well, I was going to put off requesting a PEP until I'd judged the plan, but clearly (a) there isn't actually a plan (just some vague description of an end result that some feel desirable) and (b) it's controversial. So, yes, it definitely needs a PEP. Also, even though this came up a year ago, nob

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Le 10/04/2014 20:58, Guido van Rossum a écrit : Huh, I totally missed this (and I just gave Kushal a confused answer when he asked me about it in person). Can someone please post here what the plan is exactly? I don't want to press for a PEP, but I would at least like to understand the plan for

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le 10/04/2014 20:58, Guido van Rossum a écrit : > > >> Huh, I totally missed this (and I just gave Kushal a confused answer >> when he asked me about it in person). Can someone please post here what >> the plan is exactly? I don't want to p

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Thomas Wouters wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > > >>> >>> There was a small discussion about state of CFFI for standard library >>> inclusion. Alex and David Beazley a

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Thomas Wouters wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > > There was a small discussion about state of CFFI for standard library >> inclusion. Alex and David Beazley are supposed to >> work on cleaning PLY for the same. General opinion wa

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Guido van Rossum > wrote: > > To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if > you > > took them just for yourself, would you mind posting them here? It would > be > > good to have some

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > I feel a bit tired to point out that there *is* a common set of > cross-implementation benchmarks at http://hg.python.org/benchmarks > > It is maintained and there is also a mailing-list to discuss it at > https://mail.python.org/mailman

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Maybe we don't need a volunteer to maintain it, but we sure need a volunteer to coordinate and spread the knowledge! :-) On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le 10/04/2014 13:24, Kushal Das a écrit : > > >> At this time of discussion Nick pointed us to >> `http://speed.pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

Le 10/04/2014 13:24, Kushal Das a écrit : At this time of discussion Nick pointed us to `http://speed.python.org/ `_, he asked if any of the implementations wants to maintain it. We need more volunteers for that, target is to have a common set of tests to benchmark diff

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 09:08:04PM -0400, Guido van Rossum wrote: > To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if you > took them just for yourself, would you mind posting them here? It would be > good to have some kind of (informal!) as soon as possible, before we > colle

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if you > took them just for yourself, would you mind posting them here? It would be > good to have some kind of (informal!) as soon as possible, before we > collectively

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On Apr 9, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > Mentioned about https://pypi-preview.a.ssl.fastly.net/ For what it’s worth, https://warehouse.python.org/ is a somewhat easier to remember demo url for that :] - Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356

[Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

Guido van Rossum writes: > - We should make an effort to publicize that we're NOT sunsetting > Python 2.7 just yet; Maybe just add "Windows XP" to the SEO keywords for that page? Like *today* would be perfect timing. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

Here are my notes that I jotted down from the back row. Forgive me for any mistakes. (As I shared in the intro, I am trying to get back and keep up. :)) Python Release Process: * Larry Hastings goes for vote for shortend release process. But Guido does not seem to be excited about it. Woul

[Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

To anyone who took notes at the language summit at PyCon today, even if you took them just for yourself, would you mind posting them here? It would be good to have some kind of (informal!) as soon as possible, before we collectively forget. You won't be held responsible for correctness. Here are s