Tristan Seligmann wrote:
> * Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-29 18:19:20 -0700]:
>
>>> In my mind, 'if' and 'or' are "syntax", whereas things like 'None' or
>>> 'True' are "values"; even if None becomes an actual keyword, rather than
>>> a builtin.
>> I'm sorry, but that is such an i
On 4/29/07, Delaney, Timothy (Tim) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
> >> 2. Every non-static method has an implicit cell variable called
> >> 'super'.
> >
> > I think you're using 'cell' in a different sense than it is normally
> > used in Python's implementation. What you are l
On 4/30/07, Tim Delaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been working on improved super syntax for quite a while now - my
> original approach was 'self.super' which used _getframe() and mro crawling
> too. I hit on using bytecode hacking to instantiate a super object at the
> start of the method t
From: "Calvin Spealman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I believe the direction my PEP took with all this is a good bit
> primitive compared to this approach, although I still find value in it
> because at least a prototype came out of it that can be used to test
> the waters, regardless of if a more direct
On 4/30/07, Delaney, Timothy (Tim) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
> >> 1. When a method is defined, the class is bound to it via an
> attribute
> >> (which in my version is called func_class).
>
> > In Py3k all the func_XXX attrs are renamed __XXX__, so this would be
> > __c
From: "Delaney, Timothy (Tim)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sorry - this is related to my proposal that the following two bits of
> code behave the same:
>
>class A(object):
>def f(self, *p, **kw):
>super.f(*p, **kw)
>
>class A(object):
>def f(self, *p, **kw):
>
Delaney, Timothy (Tim) wrote:
> What I'm proposing is that the `super = super_factory()` line be
> implicit in this case, resulting in the following code behaving
> identically:
>
> class A(object):
> def f(self):
> def inner():
> return 'A' + super.f()
>
Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> 1. When a method is defined, the class is bound to it via an
attribute
>> (which in my version is called func_class).
> In Py3k all the func_XXX attrs are renamed __XXX__, so this would be
> __class__; but that's a name reserved for something else, so it would
> need to
On 4/29/07, Delaney, Timothy (Tim) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the current PEP draft is way too complicated - I don't think
> there's any need for descriptors, etc. I think we can make things work
> in the following way:
>
> 1. When a method is defined, the class is bound to it via an attr
* Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-29 18:19:20 -0700]:
> > In my mind, 'if' and 'or' are "syntax", whereas things like 'None' or
> > 'True' are "values"; even if None becomes an actual keyword, rather than
> > a builtin.
>
> I'm sorry, but that is such an incredibly subjective differ
Jim Jewett wrote:
> On 4/29/07, Tim Delaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've been intending to write up a PEP for fixing super, but I
>> haven't had time to get to it.
>
> Calvin Spealman has the most recent draft. I hope he will incorporate
> this into his draft.
Sorry about this - wasn't rec
On 4/29/07, Tristan Seligmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-29 16:30:18 -0700]:
>
> > On 4/29/07, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > So it is a "keyword" in the sense that None is a keyword; not in the
> > > stronger sense that "if" is a keywo
* Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-29 16:30:18 -0700]:
> On 4/29/07, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So it is a "keyword" in the sense that None is a keyword; not in the
> > stronger sense that "if" is a keyword?
>
> Um, how do you see those two differ? Is 'if' a keyword in
On 4/29/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/29/07, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So it is a "keyword" in the sense that None is a keyword; not in the
> > stronger sense that "if" is a keyword?
>
> Um, how do you see those two differ? Is 'if' a keyword in the same
> se
On 4/29/07, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So it is a "keyword" in the sense that None is a keyword; not in the
> stronger sense that "if" is a keyword?
Um, how do you see those two differ? Is 'if' a keyword in the same
sense as 'or', or in a different sense?
I realize that in Python 2.5
On 4/29/07, Jim Jewett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/29/07, Tim Delaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've been intending to write up a PEP for fixing super, but I haven't had
> > time to get to it.
>
> Calvin Spealman has the most recent draft. I hope he will incorporate
> this into his draft
On 4/29/07, Tim Delaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been intending to write up a PEP for fixing super, but I haven't had
> time to get to it.
Calvin Spealman has the most recent draft. I hope he will incorporate
this into his draft.
> 1. 'super' becomes a keyword, that returns a super objec
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