Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegate for Daniel Holth's packaging PEPs?

2012-12-31 Thread Tarek Ziadé
r approval too, but they don't seem very active. FWIW I think Nick is perfect for this job. Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé · http://ziade.org · @tarek_ziade ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/list

Re: [Python-Dev] [Distutils] distlib updated with resources API

2012-09-27 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 9/28/12 12:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Last but not least, distlib is the plan forward endorsed by python-dev, Is it? I haven't seen a PEP or an official decision about that. Just because someone proposed it on a mailing-list doesn't mean it is "endorsed by python-dev". We discussed about

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-15 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 9/14/12 5:12 PM, Vinay Sajip wrote: Nick Coghlan gmail.com> writes: I like "distcore" or "distlib", though. I have set up a BitBucket repo called distlib, at https://bitbucket.org/vinay.sajip/distlib/ This has the following bits of distutils2 / packaging, updated to run on 2.x and 3.x w

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 9/13/12 2:45 PM, Paul Moore wrote: 4. ask each project to pour in pkglib anything that can be reused by others +1, although again it'll be down to the projects whether they do actually contribute. Also this somewhat contradicts the "be strict" point above, which is why I'm lukewarm on "be str

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 9/13/12 11:38 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:14:17 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:43 AM, R. David Murray wrote: When the removal was being pondered, the possibility of keeping certain bits that were more ready than others was discussed. Perhaps the b

[Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Hello I was wondering if anyone knows if the removed Lib/packaging directory landed in some other places after it was removed. We have http://hg.python.org/distutils2 be the 'packaging' version is a full py3-renamed version we need to keep mirrored Cheers Tarek _

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-22 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/22/12 9:11 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: On 6/22/12 7:05 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: I don't understand what's the problem is with ini-style files, as they are suitable for multi-line variables etc. (see zc.buildout) yaml vs ini vs xx

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/22/12 7:05 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: .. - I reject setup.cfg, as I believe ini-style configuration files are not appropriate for a metadata format that needs to include file listings and code fragments I don't understand what's the problem is with ini-style files, as they are suitable for mu

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 11:55 PM, David Cournapeau wrote: I think there is a misunderstanding of what bento is: bento is not a compiler or anything like that. It is a set of libraries that work together to configure, build and install a python project. Concretely, in bento, there is - a part that buil

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 10:46 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: ... I think we should, as you proposed, list a few projects w/ compilation needs -- from the simplest to the more complex, then see how a standard *description* could be used by any tool It's not clear to me what you mean by description. Package

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 7:56 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: ... think any API has been removed or modified. In my opinion, distribute is the only project that should go forward since it's actively maintained and does not suffer from the bus factor. Yeah the biggest difference is Py3 compat, other than that af

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 4:26 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: project should give me so I can compile its extensions ?" I think this has nothing to do with the tools/implementations. If you sit down and ask your self: "what are the information a python I'm not sure if I understand. A project can't "give th

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 7:49 PM, PJ Eby wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Tarek Ziadé <mailto:ta...@ziade.org>> wrote: telling us no one that is willing to maintain setuptools is able to do so. (according to him) Perhaps there is some confusion or language barrier here: what I said

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 6:44 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: Yes. At the very least, there will be updated development snapshots (which are what buildout uses anyway). (Official releases are in a bit of a weird holding pattern. distribute's versioning scheme leads to potential confusion: if I release e.g. 0.6.

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 5:50 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: A minor backwards incompat here to fix that issue would be appropriate, if only to be able to say "hey, that issue no longer exists" to folks who condemn the entire ecosystem based on that bug. At least, that is, if there will be another release of se

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 2:45 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: Guido was asked about build issues and scientific software at PyData this spring, and his take was that "if scientific users have concerns that are that special, perhaps you just need to go and do your own thing". Which is what David is doing.

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 2:53 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: Yeah maybe this subset could be left in 3.3 and we'd remove packaging-the-installer part (pysetup, commands, compilers) I think it's a good idea ! OK, to turn this into a concrete suggestio

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/21/12 11:08 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: ... David Cournapeau's Bento project takes the opposite approach, everything is explicit and without any magic. http://cournape.github.com/Bento/ It had its 0.1.0 release a week ago. Please, I don't want to reopen any discussions about Bento h

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 5:44 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 20.06.2012 17:34, schrieb Éric Araujo: Hi all, Sorry I can’t take the time to reply to all messages, this week I’m fully busy with work and moving out. To answer or correct a few things: - I am lacking time these months, but that’s because I’m still

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 1:19 PM, Paul Moore wrote: On 20 June 2012 11:34, Tarek Ziadé wrote: On 6/20/12 11:54 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:51:03 + (UTC) Vinay Sajipwrote: Antoine Pitroupitrou.net>writes: Deciding to remove packaging from 3.3 is another instance

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 12:39 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:30:51 +0200 Tarek Ziadé wrote: Most of the distutils2 improvements (new PEPs, setup.cfg, etc.) were totally possible in distutils, weren't they? I started there, remember ? And we ended up saying it was impossible to con

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 11:54 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:51:03 + (UTC) Vinay Sajip wrote: Antoine Pitrou pitrou.net> writes: Deciding to remove packaging from 3.3 is another instance of the same mistake, IMO. What's the rationale for leaving it in, when it's known to be incom

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 11:49 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:22:07 +0200 Tarek Ziadé wrote: I tried to improve Distutils and I was stopped and told to start distutils2, because distutils is so rotten, any *real* change/improvment potentially brakes the outside world. If distutils was so

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 11:12 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:05:43 +0200 Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: So I prefer to hold it and have a solid implementation in the stldib. The only thing I am asking is to retain ourselves to do *anything

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 11:04 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:00:52 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: The question is what will happen after 3.3. There doesn't seem to be a lot of activity around the project, does it? I think the desire is

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/20/12 11:05 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: So I prefer to hold it and have a solid implementation in the stldib. The only thing I am asking is to retain ourselves to do *anything* in distutils and continue to declare it frozen, because I

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On 6/19/12 11:46 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: ... I don’t think (a) would give us enough time; we really want a few months (and releases) to hash out the API (most notably with the pip and buildout developers) and clean the bdist situation. Likewise (c) would require developer (my) time that is

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Distutils2 1.0a4

2012-03-13 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Thanks a lot for your hard work and dedication on packaging ! On 3/13/12 9:37 AM, Éric Araujo wrote: Hello, On behalf of the distutils2 contributors, I am thrilled to announce the release of Distutils2 1.0a4. Distutils2 is the packaging library that supersedes Distutils. It supports distribut

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging and binary distributions for Python 3.3

2011-10-09 Thread Tarek Ziadé
ication (that was the initial use case right ?), please do not consider them as an installation format for Python. Now for a binary archive, that would get installed ala PEP 376, why not ? I'd just be curious to have someone list the advantage of having a project released that way besides th

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging in Python 2 anyone ?

2011-08-18 Thread Tarek Ziadé
d apply to distutils2.  I > fear that such diffs would be painful to apply, and consist mostly of > rejects.  With idea #3, we get to use a merge tool, which is much better. > > After writing out these ideas, I think the first one is certainly

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging in Python 2 anyone ?

2011-08-18 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Tarek Ziadé gmail.com> writes: > >> Ideally, if you could push this to hg.python.org/distutils2 >> (overwriting the existing stuff). > > Okay, done. I've overwritten existing files and added new ones, only

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging in Python 2 anyone ?

2011-08-18 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:16:21 + (UTC) > Vinay Sajip wrote: >> Tarek Ziadé gmail.com> writes: >> >> > Ideally, if you could push this to hg.python.org/distutils2 >> > (overwriting the existing stu

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging in Python 2 anyone ?

2011-08-18 Thread Tarek Ziadé
4 and 5; > hopefully I've broken the back of it :-) Thank you very much ! Ideally, if you could push this to hg.python.org/distutils2 (overwriting the existing stuff). Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging in Python 2 anyone ?

2011-08-18 Thread Tarek Ziadé
ing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.tarek%40gmail.com > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging in Python 2 anyone ?

2011-08-15 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am lacking of time right now to finish an important task before 3.2 >> final is out: > > If anyone else got at all confused by Tarek&#x

[Python-Dev] Packaging in Python 2 anyone ?

2011-08-14 Thread Tarek Ziadé
se, but it would be *much* better to have that feedback If you are interested, please let me know. Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscr

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging backport

2011-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
e MAPPING dictionary near the top, then you can run 3to2 like this: > 3to2 -fpackaging -fimports files_to_fix.py > (-w option to write changes to the files modified) > Hope this helps, It does, thanks a lot ! Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging backport

2011-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
you a hook for every visited node. IOW that looking for dependencies is to be done Cheers Tarek > > -- > R. David Murray           http://www.bitdance.com > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging backport

2011-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > 2to3 or Brett's mnfy are likely to be reasonable starting points. Will look at mnfy, thanks -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.

[Python-Dev] packaging backport

2011-06-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
dering if anyone here had some experience in this, and could give me some hints. Thanks Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://m

Re: [Python-Dev] Sniffing passwords from PyPI using insecure connection

2011-06-03 Thread Tarek Ziadé
oad/register command, since the server has now this ability. > > Regards, > Martin > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Docs for the packaging module

2011-06-01 Thread Tarek Ziadé
I do care :) Looks fine Please push, as we can always change and fix things afterwards in the tip before 3.3 is out. Le 1 juin 2011 19:38, "Éric Araujo" a écrit : > Hi, > > Looks like nobody cares enough about the packaging docs :) If there is > no feedback, here’s what I propose to do: > > - Ad

Re: [Python-Dev] pysetup as a top script

2011-05-30 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> Hello >> >> If no one objects, I'll promote Tools/scripts/pysetup3 to a top level >> script that gets installed in scripts/ like 2to3, pydoc etc.. >&g

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: removed spurious output

2011-05-30 Thread Tarek Ziadé
d a spurious output in the tests. > Georg > > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.

[Python-Dev] pysetup as a top script

2011-05-30 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Hello If no one objects, I'll promote Tools/scripts/pysetup3 to a top level script that gets installed in scripts/ like 2to3, pydoc etc.. That way, people will be able to use it directly when installing, removing projects, or studying what's installed Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Zi

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable buildbots update

2011-05-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> >>> Yes, I am aware of this. I have fixed today most remaining issues, and >>> fixing the final ones right now. >> >>

Re: [Python-Dev] the distutils2 repo and 3to2

2011-05-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
2011/5/23 Łukasz Langa : ... > > I've heard you're targetting 2.4 compatibility so be prepared that this is > not going to be easy. yeah well, we might raise the bar to 2.5 and use some __future__ statements. I am not sure that keeping 2.4 support is that useful anymore. Che

Re: [Python-Dev] the distutils2 repo and 3to2

2011-05-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
already contacted by Éric Araujo and will help him > improve 3to2. We are yet to contact its authors to see if they believe > merging our changes upstream will be possible. Great, anything was started already ? If so, we should sync to see how we can initiate the d2 repo Cheers Tarek --

[Python-Dev] the distutils2 repo and 3to2

2011-05-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
3.3tosomething. I want to do this to avoid maintaining yet another code base. In practice, I don't really know the current state of 3to2 so we'll see.. Any help/hint in this project would be appreciated. Thanks Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http:/

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable buildbots update

2011-05-22 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: > Tarek Ziadé wrote: > >> Yes, I am aware of this. I have fixed today most remaining issues, and >> fixing the final ones right now. > > Just FYI:  the "AMD64 Snow Leopard" buildbot and "PPC Leopard&q

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable buildbots update

2011-05-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.tarek%40gmail.com > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging landed in stdlib

2011-05-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > On 19.05.2011 13:35, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> Hey >> >> I've pushed packaging in stdlib. There are a few buildbots errors >> we're fixing right now. >> >> We will continue our work in their di

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging landed in stdlib

2011-05-19 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > Hey > > I've pushed packaging in stdlib. There are a few buildbots errors > we're fixing right now. FYI. there are still some failures we're fixing. Thanks for your patience and thanks to the folks that are help

[Python-Dev] packaging landed in stdlib

2011-05-19 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Hey I've pushed packaging in stdlib. There are a few buildbots errors we're fixing right now. We will continue our work in their directly for now on. The next "big" commit will be for the documentation, Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziad

Re: [Python-Dev] "packaging" merge imminent

2011-05-17 Thread Tarek Ziadé
d by code in packaging?  If so, have Python builds been tested > yet on the various platforms? It will remain distutils-based for now. Moving it to packaging is not our top priority. Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] "packaging" merge imminent

2011-05-17 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Am 17.05.2011 17:36, schrieb Tarek Ziadé: >> The next change I have planned is to allow several levels of >> configuration, like distutils.cfg does. sysconfig.py will look for a >> sysconfig.cfg file in these places:

Re: [Python-Dev] "packaging" merge imminent

2011-05-17 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Le mardi 17 mai 2011 à 17:36 +0200, Tarek Ziadé a écrit : >> - addition of Lib/packaging >> - addition of test/test_packaging.py >> - changes in Lib/sysconfig.py >> - addition of Lib/sysconfig.cfg > > Does

Re: [Python-Dev] "packaging" merge imminent

2011-05-17 Thread Tarek Ziadé
hard at all, just an option. And the goal is also to allow virtualenv to have its own copy, like it does for distutils.cfg > > Ronald -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailm

[Python-Dev] "packaging" merge imminent

2011-05-17 Thread Tarek Ziadé
next moves == - make sysconfig.py stop reading Makefile and pyconfig.h, this will be done by adding a _sysconfig.py file created by the Makefile - continue our work in packaging for 3.3 - we're planning to merge the doc in Doc/packaging very soon (still working on it) Cheers Tarek -- T

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 386 and dev repository versions workflow

2011-05-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
_ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.tarek%40gmail.com > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org

Re: [Python-Dev] the role of assert in the standard library ?

2011-04-28 Thread Tarek Ziadé
___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.tarek%40gmail.com > > -- Tarek Ziadé | h

Re: [Python-Dev] the role of assert in the standard library ?

2011-04-28 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 28/04/2011 09:34, Terry Reedy wrote: >> >> On 4/28/2011 3:54 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> I removed some assert calls in distutils some time ago because the >>&g

[Python-Dev] the role of assert in the standard library ?

2011-04-28 Thread Tarek Ziadé
her places where thing would simply break with -O. Am I right thinking we should do a pass on those and remove them or turn them into exception that are triggered with -O as well ? This flag is meant to "optimize generated bytecode slightly", but I am not sure this involves also slightly changing the way the code behaves Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Core Mentorship program

2011-03-25 Thread Tarek Ziadé
iktionary/en/wiki/mindboggling > S > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.t

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging

2011-03-15 Thread Tarek Ziadé
> Nick Coghlan   |   ncogh...@gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mail

[Python-Dev] Fwd: Re: packaging

2011-03-14 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Sorry i am not used to my new phone .. fwding to python-dev -- Message transféré -- De : "Tarek Ziadé" Date : 14 mars 2011 19:12 Objet : Re: [Python-Dev] packaging À : "Paul Moore" That document is from the latest release at pypi. You can find a fresher d

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging

2011-03-14 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Setup.py is gone in distutils2 and therefore in packaging Le 14 mars 2011 18:27, "Antoine Pitrou" a écrit : > On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:00:50 -0400 > Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> >> And it's also a good way to prevent any conflict with 3.3 : the >> standalone vers

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging

2011-03-14 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:39:55 -0400 > Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I just wanted to summarize what we've started at the sprint (and >> hopefully finish 1 to 7 this week): >> >> 1/ distuti

[Python-Dev] packaging

2011-03-14 Thread Tarek Ziadé
e 8/ we will release distutils2 in the next 18 months 9/ once 3.3 is out, the backport will just get bug fixes Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-d

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 next steps

2011-02-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
ling list >>> Python-Dev@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.tarek%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tarek Ziadé | http:/

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 next steps

2011-02-21 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > On 21.02.2011 08:41, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> Hello >> >> Now that Python 3.2 is out, I am planning to do the following with >> Distutils2: >> >> 1 - release a new alpha before Pycon for community fee

[Python-Dev] Distutils2 next steps

2011-02-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
, please add your name at http://us.pycon.org/2011/sprints/projects under the "Disttuils2" project. Thanks ! Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

Re: [Python-Dev] API for the new sysconfig module

2010-12-12 Thread Tarek Ziadé
should not rush into a different design.  Since sysconfig was > essentially refactored out of distutils (and now we have two ways to do it!), > and we're getting distutils2 for 3.3, I think it would be better to work out a > more natural design for sysconfig for 3.3.  Then the sysc

Re: [Python-Dev] API for the new sysconfig module

2010-12-11 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Sorry to get late in the discussion I am travelling. Nick resumes well the motivations behind sysconfig. I'll emphase that this module could hold more functions in the future that could be useful to other python implementations to abstract what is a python installation. E.g. more than paths and v

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-06 Thread Tarek Ziadé
in a > branch - it will never stand on its own. So we had several +1 on James' idea to bring back distutils2 to the trunk after 3.2 final, and it seems that you are not against this idea. So we will do this unless you object Regards Tarek --

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-04 Thread Tarek Ziadé
ndition that the changes would be made in distutils2 - PEP 384 is yet another accepted PEP, why the rule would change - because it's a small feature ? - I have tons of small features I had to revert and push back in distutils2 If Martin changes make it into Distutils1, I am

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:01 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> I think distutils is simply a bugfix branch for distutils2. Similarly >> as how we don't commit improvements in e.g. 2.7 or 3.1, neither do we >> commit improvements to distutils. > > It's different, though, in the sense that Python has

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
ike a good target. > > So will distuils2 be released before that? If so, when? An alpha is already released. A beta will be released for Pycon (I need it for my talk :) ) Then hopefully the final before 3.2 > Regards, > Martin > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
th lots of feedback in the meantime hopefully, and people using it from 2.4 onward. > > Regards, > Martin > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
ow, next > year, or ten years from now. Depends on what "ready" means. If by ready you mean it can be used to replace Distutils1 in a project, I declare Distutils2 ready for usage NOW. It's in alpha stage. I want a solid beta before Pycon. I w

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
2010/12/2 "Martin v. Löwis" : > Am 02.12.2010 22:54, schrieb Michael Foord: >> On 02/12/2010 21:39, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: I was told not to touch to Distutils code to avoid any regression since it's patched to the bones in third party products. So we decided to freeze distutils an

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
arly documented and suggest to interpretation - some mistakes I made as well But that's what you would expect for a project that needs to evolve a lot. Thus the freezing. So how would you make the situation better, if not by doing the work in distutils2 ? > Regards, > Martin &

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
nges, anyway. That would be awesome, and we can work on a patch for distutils2 to provide that abi option. > > Regards, > Martin > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
2010/12/2 "Martin v. Löwis" : > Am 02.12.2010 21:48, schrieb Tarek Ziadé: >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:24 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>>> Since discussion has trailed off without any blocking objections, I'm >>>> accepting PEP 384. M

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
ython.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.tarek%40gmail.com > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python

[Python-Dev] Change to the Distutils / Distutils2 workflow

2010-12-02 Thread Tarek Ziadé
/distutils2, which uses unittest2. Then Eric and I would take care of the backporting. I am planning to set up a wiki page with the workflow as soon as I get a chance. Thanks Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 291 versus Python 3

2010-11-30 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Éric Araujo wrote: > Good morning python-dev, > > PEP 291 (Backward Compatibility for Standard Library) does not seem to > take Python 3 into account.  Is this PEP only relevant for the 2.7 > branch?*  If it’s supposed to apply to 3.x too, despite the view that > 3

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 final review

2010-11-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
e sdtlib > >> For Python itself we can backport the feature in its setup.py, until >> Distutils2 is back to the sdtlib > > This won't be for python itself, but for extension modules. ok. > > Regards, > Martin > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org __

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384 final review

2010-11-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
currently in alpha), it will be installable from 2.4 to 3.x and can provide this feature. For Python itself we can backport the feature in its setup.py, until Distutils2 is back to the sdtlib > In favour of the pep. +1 > >  Matthias > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: Distutils vs Distutils2

2010-11-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: .. > Crazy ideas are welcome. "setup.py" is gone in d2 for instance ;) But you can still use a similar form if you want - just to mention ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@py

[Python-Dev] Reminder: Distutils vs Distutils2

2010-11-20 Thread Tarek Ziadé
.org/distutils2 Crazy ideas are welcome. "setup.py" is gone in d2 for instance ;) Thanks ! Regards. Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-12 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Paul Moore wrote: ... > I would assume (am I wrong?) that the canonical way of installing > modules on Windows for "non-advanced" users under distutils2 would > still be to download and run a binary installer. Yes this won't change. Regards Tarek

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 09:25, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>> On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 05:12:44PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> ... >>>> > pys

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé
7;s an advantage in that case. Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Fred Drake wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> pkg_manager ? > > 1. Underscores are evil.  Don't do that. > > 2. Mixed shortened + written-out names are just nasty. > >> Mmm.. setup.py is gone in D2, an

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé
up in distutils2, that will be installed as a classical script. Once we move distutils2 back in the stdlib, it will be provided in Python's bin dir, so people will have the same "pysetup" name everywhere, Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org _

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé
___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ziade.tarek%40gmail.com > -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé
2010/10/8 Michael Foord : >  On 08/10/2010 14:28, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 15:22, Tarek Ziadé  wrote: >>> >>> Mmm.. setup.py is gone in D2, and setup.py will be the marker of d1. >> >> So, sorry for backing up to this, but

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 15:22, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >> Mmm.. setup.py is gone in D2, and setup.py will be the marker of d1. > > So, sorry for backing up to this, but isn't it true that many projects > do custom stuff

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Tarek Ziadé
nly command they'll need to remember (for Python versions with the setup > module) will be > >    python -m setup ... Nice ! And I'd like to extend this idea with what we said at the last Summit. What if a project like Pip is able t

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