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> As demonstrated, protocols don't get us there because duck typing isn't a
> matter of having an object exhibit all of the attributes of a duck, but
> rather some subset of attributes to be used by the consumer. I want this duck
> to quack; so
y. I may be misunderstanding, but that's why a formal
approach for something like this might make some sense
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On July 6, 2018 5:04:05 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote:
(or contact the PEP's authors
privately).
Hoenstly, this feels like a recipe for a disaster...
As for the other kinds of threads, as much as I dislike PEP 572, they
are useless now.
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On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 23:50:46 +0200
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Type hints like in PEP 484 work on all Python 3 versions, and something
similar to your proposal is already supported on Python 2 [1].
[1]: https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/python2.html
On July 4, 2018 11:08:27 PM Shawn Chen wrote:
Hello,
Here, I am proposing a change on python type a
AFAIK there's no setting like this available, and I've done this many times
on other repos with no trouble. Maybe it could be a GitHub bug?
On May 28, 2018 4:59:03 AM Victor Stinner wrote:
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Since one or two weeks, I noticed that it's difficult to merge pull
requests into the 2.7 branch.
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Inspired by chg:
Could one make a little startup utility that, when invoked the first
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I'm hardly an expert, but AFAIK CPython's start-up issues are more due to a
mix of architectural issues and the fact that it's hard to optimize imports
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hought of Swift (Ryan mentioned), Kotlin, Rust, and perhaps Go,
though Go wasn't focused on breaking new ground outside of ease of concurrency.
I don't know R or Felix at all, but sound interesting. Nim is another I'm
vaguely aware of. They surely have given some thought to the issue.
O
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:36:31PM -0500, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
I have to say I'm not overly thrilled with PEP 572...it's almost odd,
because if you asked me back when I first joined this list when I was 13, I
would'v
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can pull
>the image in a .gitlab-ci.yml file to run tests against all these
>versions of Python. Here’s an example from the importlib_resources
>project:
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>https://gitlab.com/python-devs/importlib_resources/blob/master/.gitlab-ci.yml
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>We welcome contributors on the ci-image
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I agree that blocking shutdown by default isn't a good idea. A child will
eventually get indefinitely stuck on a nonresponsive connection and hang
the whole server. This behavior change is surprising and should be reverted
in master, and definitely not backported.
As for block-timeout or block-tim
are you ok to backport this change to Python
> 2.7, 3.5 and 3.6?
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> I started with a backport to 3.6:
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> https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/1461
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on how to freeze modules *using*
distutils, which is hardly helpful. FWIW, no one on the PR seemed to
mention that, either.
If distutils is indeed frozen, shouldn't it be documented somewhere in the
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exec -a would seem to end up setting argv[0] on the CPython interpreter
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help in
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Being that the primary purpose is for proposing additions to the humor
list, I don't think archive.org would be of much help for this one.
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E.g.:
import typing
print(typing.Pattern, typing.Match) # Works.
from typing import *
print(Pattern, Match) # NameError: name 'Pattern' is not defined
A quick look shows that typing.py doesn't have Pattern and Match in
__all__. Was this intentional, or just an oversight?
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On Sep 7, 2016 1:20 PM, "Guido van Rossum" wrote:
> I'm accepting PEP 526 provisionally.
>
> I am personally confident that this PE
Wonder if it's ever segfaulted...
...hey, I just figured out why we got Python 3! ;)
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Maybe the PEP should just say it's for "annotating variables", and it would
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hat this is entirely true.
> PEP 484 was about the syntax for types, declaring parameter and return
types, and declaring custom types to be generic.
> PEP 484 does include a description of type comments, but they are always
annotations on assignment statements and were primarily intended for use in
stub files.
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;unpythonic" or similar?
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e path implies) just test data. A whopping >1k LOC
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Wouldn't downloading the Microsoft C++ Runtime 2015 also work? Many recent
computers already have it pre-installed.
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On May 25, 2016 2:31 PM, "Chris Bark
Well, the stack trace was pointing to the line that called Tesseract, so I
figured that was the problem.
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On May 5, 2016 11:24 AM, "MRAB" wrote:
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inished with exit code 1*
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Questions like this are better suited for python-list. Regardless, you need
to install Tesseract first:
https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/wiki
That should fix the error
Well, I put this in Google Translate...and got this:
The disk clatters
the Spontie giggles
~
hopefully
alliance insures ...
Not sure if this a useless post or Translate just being weird. Leaning
towards the latter...
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Oh wow, has a year passed already? I don't have access to an Android device
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On Apr 13, 2016 4:44 PM, "Victor Stinner" wrote:
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What is the value of HAS_ARG going to be now?
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>
> In the middle of recent discu
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On Apr 6, 2016 12:28 PM, "Brett Cannon" wrote:
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> WIth Ethan volunteering to do the work to help make a path protocol a
thing -- and I'm
Well, based on recent feedback, you should wait for Phyton 80, which will
also make your bean plants start growing hair.
(Side note: This is seriously weird. :O )
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I hope you will all realize that this new idea is a drastic improvement
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win16 doesn't seem to have important stuff:
https://github.com/python/cpython/search?utf8=✓&q="win16";
On January 28, 2016 8:57:20 AM CST, Larry Hastings wrote:
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>
>Check out and cd into Python trunk.
>
>% grep -Ri win16 * | wc
> 10 66 625
>
>% grep -Ri nextstep | wc
> 23
On January 25, 2016 9:59:36 PM CST, Chris Angelico wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:32 PM, INADA Naoki
>wrote:
>>
>> I know.
>> But people compares language speed by simple microbench like
>fibbonacci.
>> They doesn't use listcomp or libraries to compare *language* speed.
>>
>
>Well, that's a
On January 25, 2016 9:32:07 PM CST, INADA Naoki wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Andrew Barnert
>wrote:
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>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 18:21, INADA Naoki
>wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm very interested in it.
>> >
>> > Ruby 2.2 and PHP 7 are faster than Python 2.
>> > Python 3 is slower than Python 2
Is it possible to contribute to this, even if you're not part of the core dev
team?
On January 10, 2016 11:43:48 AM CST, Brett Cannon wrote:
>For those of you who have not heard, I made the decision a little over
>a
>week ago to move Python's development from our home-grown workflow to
>one
>hos
On December 16, 2015 8:12:47 AM CST, Serhiy Storchaka
wrote:
>I'm bringing this up again, since the results of the previous poll did
>not give an unambiguous result. Related links: [1], [2], [3], [4].
>
>Let me remind you that we are talking about adding the following macro.
>
>It is needed fo
On December 3, 2015 10:09:56 AM CST, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
>
>
>On December 3, 2015 8:26:23 AM CST, Laura Creighton
>wrote:
>>In a message of Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:37:17 +, Paul Moore writes:
>>>On 3 December 2015 at 12:51, Laura Creighton wrote:
>>>> I
On December 3, 2015 8:26:23 AM CST, Laura Creighton wrote:
>In a message of Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:37:17 +, Paul Moore writes:
>>On 3 December 2015 at 12:51, Laura Creighton wrote:
>>> Intentional or Oversight?
>>
>>Hard to find :-)
>>
>>https://docs.python.org/3/reference/expressions.html#dis
Did you get the x86-64 version or x86? If you had gotten the former, it would
lead to that error.
On December 1, 2015 8:30:25 AM CST, Alexei Belenki via Python-Dev
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>Installed python 3.5 (from https://www.python.org/downloads/) on
>Windows XPsp3/32
>On starting >>python.exe got the text a
Well, not quite the same thing, but
https://github.com/kirbyfan64/pfbuild/blob/master/pfbuild embeds the compressed
version of 16k LOC. Would it be affected negatively in any way be this?
Since all the data is on one line, I'd think the old (current) parser would end
up reading in the whole lin
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import string
On October 29, 2015 7:06:51 PM CDT, "R. David Murray"
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>On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:56:38 -0700, Nathaniel Smith
>wrote:
>&
Well, tell your friend that that means middle and high schoolers must think
alike! :D
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:50:30 -0500, Ryan Gonzalez writes:
> >Why not just check the path of the imported modules and compare it w
Why not just check the path of the imported modules and compare it with the
Python library directory?
On October 29, 2015 3:26:08 PM CDT, Mark Roseman wrote:
>Laura, I think what you want should actually be more-or-less doable in
>IDLE.
>
>The main routine that starts IDLE should be able to dete
But it'd be weird now if fR worked but fbR didn't.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Sven R. Kunze wrote:
> On 22.10.2015 18:17, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>
>>> anything about it. 'FbR', really?
>>>>
>>> Why not disallowing them?
>
On October 22, 2015 11:10:48 AM CDT, "Sven R. Kunze" wrote:
>On 22.10.2015 13:32, Eric V. Smith wrote:
>> ['B', 'BF', 'BFR', 'BFr', 'BR', 'BRF', 'BRf', 'Bf', 'BfR', 'Bfr',
>'Br',
>> 'BrF', 'Brf', 'F', 'FB', 'FBR', 'FBr', 'FR', 'FRB', 'FRb', 'Fb',
>'FbR',
>> 'Fbr', 'Fr', 'FrB', 'Frb', 'R', 'RB',
Ah, I missed that part. Sorry! :/
On October 22, 2015 7:27:41 AM CDT, "Eric V. Smith" wrote:
>On 10/22/2015 7:32 AM, Eric V. Smith wrote:
>> On 10/21/2015 10:57 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
>>> It mentions fr'...' as a formatted raw string but doesn't say
It mentions fr'...' as a formatted raw string but doesn't say anything about
rf'...'. Right now, in implementing PEP 498 support in Howl
(https://github.com/howl-editor/howl/pull/118 and
https://github.com/howl-editor/howl/commit/1e577da89efc1c1de780634b531f64346cf586d6#diff-851d9b84896270cc7e3b
ideas of course).
>
>I'm sorry you don't feel more included, but I really don't like the
>idea of
>"us vs. them" in this list. We're all working together to make Python
>the
>best language it can be.
>
>--Guido
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>On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:18
PSF. Nothing personal, of course...
On October 5, 2015 3:01:11 PM CDT, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>"They"?
>
>On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Ryan Gonzalez
>wrote:
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>> There is one reason I would be really freaking mad if they deprecated
>> o
There is one reason I would be really freaking mad if they deprecated other
uses of annotations:
https://pypi.python.org/pypi/plac
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On September 12, 2015 6:14:58 PM CDT, Tim Delaney
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>On 13 September 2015 at 04:42, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>
>>There are too many things that I personally can do with git but
>can't
>> do with hg. Because of that I switched all my development from hg to
>git
>> and I am willing to help
On September 5, 2015 12:27:26 PM CDT, David Mertz wrote:
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>(and
>work even said it was OK in principle to do it on work time), my work
>load
>went through the roof. And now it's really already later than most of
>it
>should ha
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>
> On the other hand, these rare events are not that different from more or less
> regular DST
> transitions. You still have either a non-existent or ambiguous local times
> interval and
> you can resolve the ambiguity by adding
> On Jul 27, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:54:02AM +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
>>> I'm confused by your position. If it's 7am on the clock behind me,
>>> right now, then how (under the model propo
> On Jul 25, 2015, at 09:15, Alexander Belopolsky
> wrote:
>
>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>> There really is a reason every other date time implementation I know
>> of uses UTC internally, and there really is a reason why everyone
>> always recommends storing d
I am tempted to reply with a slightly sarcastic message involving a cookie...
On July 17, 2015 6:40:21 PM CDT, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
>Frankly, this kind of inept discussion, where a bunch of folks get hung
>up about an extremely minor design decision (who cares whether "assret"
>is being specia
this seems like an interesting case to keep
in mind while evolving viewport resize behaviors.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Glenn Linderman
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> On 7/16/2015 12:11 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I have encountered this weird issue on Chrome for Android where scrolling
> up ju
I have encountered this weird issue on Chrome for Android where scrolling up
just a little causes the page to dart to the top. I was going to report it in
the bug tracker, but I didn't see a label for the web site itself.
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py2exe tends to invoke DLL hell if you have various versions of VS or Office or
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On May 28, 2015 11:23:57 AM CDT, Chris Barker wrote:
>I'm confused:
>
>Doesn't py2exe (optionally) create a single file executable?
>
>And py2app on the Mac creates an application bu
I agree that size is an issue, but is it really that bad? Just compare it to
the recent "web surge" where everyone is writing desktop apps in HTML5+CSS+JS
and bundling a huge WebKit engine in their apps binary.
Python on Windows is seriously in a bad state. IMO, what needs to be
prioritized is
Try building the module with -m32. The error message basically means:
"../libpython35.a is 32-bit, but what you're building is 64-bit." Gotta love ld!
On May 25, 2015 3:06:01 PM CDT, MRAB wrote:
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>Python 3.5b1 for 32-bit. Mi
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Then blow it up like Duck Dynasty does.
On April 23, 2015 12:07:46 PM CDT, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:58:33 -0700
>Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> I think this is the nail in PEP 3152's coffin.
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>If you only put one nail, it might manage to get out.
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On Apr 21, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Martin Teichmann wrote:
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> Hi Yury, Hi List,
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> I do certainly like the idea of PEP 492, just some small comments:
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> why do we need two keywords? To me it is not necessarily intuitive
> when to use async and when to use await (why is it async for and not
> await
re you meant to type that. If you find those other
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On Apr 8, 2015, at 12:37, Carl Meyer wrote:
>> Anyone interested in a session on this, mail me and we'll set up a
>> time and place!
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> I'm interested in the topic, and would probably attend a BoF at PyCon.
I'm of a similar mind.
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[ERROR]: Your autotools build scripts are 200 lines longer than you
Hi Ben,
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 at 21:58 Ben Hoyt wrote:
> Note that this benchmark is invalid for a couple of reasons. (...)
>
Thanks a lot for the guidance Ben, greatly appreciated. Just starting to
take an interest in the development of CPython and so something like
running a benchmark seemed lik
I suspect that you will find the Python community extremely conservative
about any changes to its sorting algorithm, given that it took thirteen
years and some really impressive automated verification software to find
this bug:
http://envisage-project.eu/proving-android-java-and-python-sorting-alg
Hi,
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 at 12:33 Ben Hoyt wrote:
> Others: if you want to benchmark this, the simplest way is to use my
> os.walk() benchmark.py test program here:
> https://github.com/benhoyt/scandir -- it compares the built-in os.walk()
> implemented with os.listdir() with a version of walk() i
Thank you so much!
Ryan Smith-Roberts wrote:
>On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Ryan Smith-Roberts
>wrote:
>> I'm not an official cpython developer but ifdef __ANDROID__ is quite
>in line
>> with other per-platform support (__FreeBSD__, __linux__, etc), as
>well
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Ryan Smith-Roberts wrote:
> I'm not an official cpython developer but ifdef __ANDROID__ is quite in line
> with other per-platform support (__FreeBSD__, __linux__, etc), as well as
> already being in use in Modules/_posixsubprocess.c. Is __ANDRO
I'm not an official cpython developer but ifdef __ANDROID__ is quite in
line with other per-platform support (__FreeBSD__, __linux__, etc), as well
as already being in use in Modules/_posixsubprocess.c. Is __ANDROID__ not
being defined when it should be?
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:20 PM,
DOES NOBODY HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS???
I'm REALLY relying on someone who works on Python to answer this. PLEASE??
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote:
> So...
>
> There was a recent discussion here on porting Python to Android. Well, for
> those of you who sa
000 lines of Python's configure script. ;)
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