ugh
>the optimisation CFLAGS.
In the same stretch, stuff like this needs to be documented. Package
maintainers cannot be expected to follow each and every mailinglist's posts
for nuggets of information like this. Been there, done that, it's impossible
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rsion of choice.
Not sure what either OpenBSD or DragonFly BSD are doing, but it will be
along these lines as well.
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Ain't g
L and the future.
Also, with regard to Windows 2000, XP and its APIs. Didn't XP already switch
a bunch of APIs around that 2000 doesn't use? (Need to find that migration
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e for dynamic
tweaking.
On my 8.1 machine:
nexus% sudo sysctl -w p1003_1b.sem_nsems_max=31
p1003_1b.sem_nsems_max: 30 -> 32
7.x is hardlocked at the moment unless someone manually edits the file to up
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of those BSD Python
users/coders and would like to resolve any issues.
By default FreeBSD 7, at least, has limits on semaphores and the likes, but
those can be expanded.
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Sorry Martin, haven't had the time at work to test the latest trunks out
with just the SDK. I'll see if I can free some time for that in the coming
days.
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/bin? If so, how
would it look like for multiple Python distributions that are installed?
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To the dull mind nature is leaden. To the illumined mind the whole worl
y dislike the Perl-esque -m stuff.
>I just wanted to make sure that once distutils2 is back in the stdlib,
>it's OK for us to add that script in the distribution.
No problem from my side, I do, however, not speak for the developers at
large of course. ;)
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It's hosted by XS4All, they had some network problems yesterday at least. I
am not sure if it would explain this behaviour, might be one of the uplinks
or peers had some issues.
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build?
Install in the same place. So you either install a debug build or a stripped
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.[0-9] pattern in order to be added to
the hints file."
So ending a shared object with the build flags will cause problems on
FreeBSD and probably the other BSDs (DragonFly, NetBSD, OpenBSD) and most
likely Mac OS X as well.
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5.htm
Oracle:
en_US: ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
ja_JP: ORA-00942: 表またはビューが存在しません。
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When you meet a master in the street, do not speak, do n
Python?
Personally I think it would be much more valuable if the Python
documentation had some volunteers working on it to get it translated to
their own language.
Just my EUR 0,05.
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You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love
losed OS can cope with also using the free-as-in-beer
>closed compiler provided by the vendor of that OS.
You don't even need VS Express.
Install Windows SDK 7.1 and the compilers are supplied with it. Less clutter
if you prefer the command line.
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or benefit, not even for training (and since
you're going to set up a training environment anyway, it can only be
described as lazy if you are adamant on having it included in the base
distribution).
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kely, as well as doing so, as changing the default is likely to be a
>longer discussion...)
Be careful. Trackers are often hit by spam bots which change random form
field values. I cannot from memory recall whether or not we had this issue
on either the tracker tracker or Python's tracke
copy clone as you like. (At least that's also how
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mercurial/Getting_Started seems to
aim at explaining.)
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A wise
xample, have quite some different
hier(7) requirements, most notably that /usr/local is used.
So is your intent to have a PEP solely for Linux systems?
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A wi
dy else might
>have access to the platform, and the knowledge about the platform details.
No it is not actually.
Mark and me found the culprit in the Python tree. Commit incoming.
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ompile ctypes using --with-system-ffi at least.
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quite imminent, but of course,
that's my interpretation of things.
>Well, I promised that we will stick to the procedure when integrating
>ElementTree. I'm not willing to break this promise.
Honourable and I can understand that. Although it doesn't make it flexible
to work on.
r Python
users at all. Especially since patches *are* available.
If Frederik has problems with that he should have put a bit more effort into
maintaining it in the first place.
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at tree hasn't been touched in over three
years.
I can understand giving special consideration to maintainers, but that would
imply they actually maintain something, no?
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SVN 1.x support, which have been open for more than a year.
Personally I consider setuptools unmaintained and have started moving my
projects over to Distribute.
So, if you decide to wait, make sure to put a deadline on it.
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d eggs count? For example, SQLAlchemy runs in the 5 MB range.
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ys they can just include all the relevant bits
in the repository. So I wonder how applicable the entire US export
restriction still is nowadays.
In short: I don't think we have much to worry about.
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-On [20090822 21:30], Paul Moore (p.f.mo...@gmail.com) wrote:
>I've just had a look on python.org, but couldn't immediately see a
>pointer to instructions on what the process is to set up a buildbot.
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BuildBot comes to mind.
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-On [20090820 20:19], Peter Moody (pe...@hda3.com) wrote:
>I've updated the pep with lots of examples; most of the stuff you're
>asking for is already supported, I just didn't do a good job
>explaining it. A few things are pending review.
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as one /23.
I realise some might be answered by the last paragraph of your PEP, but it
would be nice to know what you consider essential and what not.
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As an aside:
Where i18n above would sooner be called 'locale' rather than i18n, since
i18n is only providing software functionality for supporting localization.
So in that sense L10n would be better, but locale
en I want to save game
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te-wide, just for python-checkins AFAICT.
Yes, the current batches are arriving with personilization again. I don't
mind either way, just thought a heads up was warranted. ;)
Thanks Barry,
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pparently different now. So
people might want to adjust any filtering.
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The reverse side also has a reverse side...
_
f course.
If correct, which is it?
>More fool you...
Maybe, used/worked with it and don't care for it one iota. But that's a
whole different discussion.
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tw.*,
>themerubber.*, themetweaker.*, zc.*, z3c.*, zgeo.*, z3ext.*, etc.
Can be fairly said, though, that the majority of those you just named are
related to Zope?
That would explain why I won't know of them as I avoid Zope like the plague.
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I use. The only ones that spring
to mind are the mx.* and ll.* packages. The rest simply create their own
namespace as .*, but there's nothing that uses that same namespace
and installs separately from the base package that I know of.
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t;.")
>['x']
That is actually a regression in 3.x:
Python 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Mar 8 2009, 11:36:21)
>>> import os
>>> open("x","w").close()
>>> open(b"\xff","w").close()
>>> os.listdir(".")
[
interesting,
but the tiny case (just Bjoern's name) is quite a tad bit slower. The other
cases seems more typical of what the average use in Python would be.
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forts, which includes contributions to Unicode. Aside from that I
also have the fair share of audio files which have the names/descriptions in
the respective script (Thai, Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, and so
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http://www.
be available as a module
>outside of Python so people can beat on it, flush out bugs, make suggestions
>for enhancements, whatever.
I think people should look at mx.DateTime a bit, including its
documentation.
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[Note: I haven't looked thoroughly at our handling yet, so hence I raise the
question.]
This got posted on the Unicode list, does it seem interesting for Python
itself, the UTF-8 to UTF-16 transcoding might be?
http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de/utf-8/decoder/dfa/
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-On [20090409 15:41], Benjamin Peterson (benja...@python.org) wrote:
>It seems your Makefile is outdated. We moved the _fileio.c module
>around a few days, so maybe you just need a make distclean.
Yes, that was the cause. Thanks Benjamin.
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[Will log an issue if it turns out to, indeed, be a problem with the tree
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Forgive u
model for its threading.
Are the tests going ok there? If so, then I shouldn't worry about the 6
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-On [20090221 21:30], Barry Warsaw (ba...@python.org) wrote:
>I think no matter what DVCS gets chosen
Isn't that getting ahead of the game? I thought that the choice whether or
not a DVCS gets chosen is part of that PEP?
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[1] http://etherpad.com/
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Whoever thought this one up [1], thank you for making me almost choke on my
meal due to laughing fits. :-)
[1] http://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/02/randall-munroe.html
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API which
influence the C extension? If so, then I think a minor number update (3.1)
is more warranted than a revision number update (3.0.1).
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Earth to earth,
ly good chance it is in pkgsrc
also by now. Might even be that it is part of FreeBSD's 7.1-RELEASE.
So I reckon with 'distro' you were speaking of Linux only?
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In effect that would mean that Python would work
out of the box, more or less. So the cost of adding and maintaining it in
the main repository should not be a big overhaul or anything.
Just as a FYI. :)
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-On [20090108 02:23], Victor Stinner (victor.stin...@haypocalc.com) wrote:
>It looks like libncursesw is available on Linux, *BSD, Mac OS X.
On FreeBSD I know it is for 7.x, but I am not sure about 6.x.
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sions, so Raymond's closing the issue
is the logical thing to do. Apologies for wasting those few minutes.
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ately from Python within FreeBSD's ports. I
think Apple did the same for Mac OS X.
ports/databases/py-bsddb
ports/databases/py-bsddb3
So for a fair number of systems the 'bsddb' module being an external
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>exploring the ramifications of taking it out...
And having to install bsddb from an external source disables your use, how?
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rsus fail*.
Personally I also find the assert* syntax preferable over fail*.
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cause surrogate code points are not Unicode scalar values, isolated UTF-16
code units in the range 0xd800-0xdfff are ill-formed. (D91 from Unicode
5.0/5.1, section 3.9)
So, no, it is not a code point too.
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stuff actually got me excited to work on
these kind of ideas, next to my datetime revamp.
What would the chances for inclusion in Python be if such a PEP + code would
be presented Guido?
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at (since those have to loop over the entire string
>anyway).
Those would be welcome already, yes. I'll see if I can help out.
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Fallen into ever-mourn,
In the J2SE API documentation, Unicode code point is used for character
values in the range between U+ and U+10, and Unicode code unit is
used for 16-bit char values that are code units of the UTF-16 encoding.
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code point value represents a letter (a CJK
ideograph).
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etween, because that will ultimately lead to more confusion
due to the difference in results when dealing with Unicode.
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Believe in
ing confused about UCS-2 and UTF-16. We
accept full 32-bit codepoints with the \U escape in strings, and we may even
store it as UTF-16 internally, but we clearly do not deal with it properly
as UTF-16, but rather as UCS-2, when it comes to using said strings with
core functions and modules.
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the things encountered?
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his, of course, causes problems with splitting, finding, and so on. So that
means that a Python 3 with only 2 byte Unicode support is not to be
used/recommended for Unicode outside of the BMP.
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it was still UCS2 and thus limiting things
to the BMP only. So you are saying it's UTF-16 nowadays? For both 2.6 and
3.0?
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.
See also http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0261/ for background for the
2001 options.
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net
Explorer 7 and Safari 3). Then later Armin Ronacher warned me that you still
have to URL-escape these things in order to not be in lala-land.
Would people object if such functionality got added to urllib?
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-On [20080505 05:38], Guido van Rossum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> http://code.google.com/p/rietveld/source/browse
Is it a reference to Gerrit Rietveld (Dutch architect and furniture
designer)? I guess the architect part would make sense for a code review
tool. :)
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amiliar with OpenID
Check out http://openid-provider.appspot.com/
Apparently it was created by your colleague Ryan Barrett. :)
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be a hidden directory.
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rent from what you meant above though, since I doubt
you'd want this (the libraries) to roam with the user.
See
http://download.microsoft.com/download/3/b/a/3ba6d659-6e39-4cd7-b3a2-9c96482f5353/Managing%20Roaming%20User%20Data%20Deployment%20Guide.doc
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s on vacation)
Will do, since there is another issue that makes using setuptools on 64-bits
Windows non-working, at least where it concerns easy_install.
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ython aside from the semi-adequate platform.architecture()[0].
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] helps, but not fully though.
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thon C
extension code it will be 64-bit compiled, thus not working on 32-bits
Windows.
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n to make that work.
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on will
>be one or the other.
Sounds even clearer to me. +1
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e 1, in
transpose(u'あ')
File "trans.py", line 16, in transpose
transposed += kanamap[character]
KeyError: u'\xe3'
**
1 items had failures:
1 of 1 in __main__.transpose
***Te
Is it a known doctest bug that when you have a dict with Unicode key values
that doctest dies with a KeyError?
When I excute my code from the regular python interpreter it works as
expected.
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-On [20080417 19:46], Terry Reedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>Have you or are you going to make these changes or should I open a separate
>tracker issue?
You can always put it on my account in the tracker (asmodai) and I'll get to
it in the coming days.
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e source changes, only
documentation.
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#else
547 PyErr_SetString(PyExc_ValueError, "flush not supported on this
syst em");
548 return NULL;
549 #endif
The #else will never be reached, unless I read it wrongly?
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-On [20080415 23:37], Ralf Schmitt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>The documentation for mmap.flush does not even mention a return value.
Fixed in revision 62359.
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Wit
about than it's worth.
So I wonder why it couldn't have been changed then instead of spending
another email on the subject. :P
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faster builds easily produce them.
That would be interesting I think.
I went with -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use in my small test.
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