[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
03.03.20 01:03, Skip Montanaro пише: Atm we don't have an index of ideas, apart from pep 3099, and I'm not sure we can make one (can we?), so I do not see a way to prevent this from happening. Maybe an informational PEP which briefly lists rejected ideas? There is a risk to accept this PEP a

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Kyle Stanley
> In most cases of a first-time poster that I've seen, the poster probably doesn't have the understanding needed to conduct a proper search of the mailing list. That's why I suggest responding with some genuine help (i.e. taking their idea at face value and explaining what's wrong with it). It mig

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:42 PM Bar Harel wrote: > What I usually do btw is just search on mailman. Perhaps we can guide > people to search on mailman before suggesting an idea? > We could add that suggestion to the "welcome to this list" email. I honestly don't know if we send out such emails, b

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Skip Montanaro
> Atm we don't have an index of ideas, apart from pep 3099, and I'm not sure we > can make one (can we?), so I do not see a way to prevent this from happening. Maybe an informational PEP which briefly lists rejected ideas? Presumably, they'd normally come up in python-ideas, python-list or python

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Bar Harel
What I usually do btw is just search on mailman. Perhaps we can guide people to search on mailman before suggesting an idea? On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:30 AM Bar Harel wrote: > I wrote it and take full responsibility, did not mean to be disrespectful. > Afterall, it's not what any of us are here

[Python-Dev] Re: How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Bar Harel
I wrote it and take full responsibility, did not mean to be disrespectful. Afterall, it's not what any of us are here for. For repeated suggestions though, that were rejected once or more in the past, what are the general guidelines of answering? In this case, apart from the rejection reason, we w

[Python-Dev] How to respond to repeated bad ideas

2020-03-02 Thread Guido van Rossum
Somebody wrote, in response to a newbie's idea: > This idea is proposed at least once a year. You're able to read past > discussions on python-ideas for the full list of rejection reasons. > This old chestnut needs to go. It's unfair to the newbie, and I bet that in most cases whoever posts this

[Python-Dev] Re: new syntax

2020-03-02 Thread Bar Harel
This idea is proposed at least once a year. You're able to read past discussions on python-ideas for the full list of rejection reasons. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:28 PM Mariatta wrote: > -1 from me. > > Seems unintuitive and I don't think it's all that obvious what > intput/floatput would mean wit

[Python-Dev] Re: new syntax

2020-03-02 Thread Mariatta
-1 from me. Seems unintuitive and I don't think it's all that obvious what intput/floatput would mean without first reading the docs. It adds maintenance burden while accomplishing little value. You might be able to just create your own third party library though. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:11 PM

[Python-Dev] Re: new syntax

2020-03-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:06 AM Luca Wolf wrote: > > Dear Python Team, > > I have a good idea for a new comand in Python. > > It’s „intput()“ for numbers. So you don’t have to write „int(Input())“. > > It’s much easier to write and it’s faster too. > > You can use the same for „floatput()“, so don’

[Python-Dev] new syntax

2020-03-02 Thread Luca Wolf
Dear Python Team, I have a good idea for a new comand in Python. It’s „intput()“ for numbers. So you don’t have to write „int(Input())“. It’s much easier to write and it’s faster too. You can use the same for „floatput()“, so don’t have to write „float(Input())“. I hope you can make something good