Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

10.10.18 05:12, Benjamin Peterson пише: On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, at 17:14, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 9, 2018, at 16:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: My feeling is that limiting it to strings is fine, but checking those strings for rese

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:55 PM Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:49 PM Chris Jerdonek > wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:13 PM Benjamin Peterson wrote: >> > Can anyone think of a situation where it would be advantageous for an >> > implementation to reject non-identifier str

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On 10/9/2018 7:46 PM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:13 PM Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, at 17:14, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 9, 2018, at 16:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: My feeling is that limiti

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:49 PM Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:13 PM Benjamin Peterson > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, at 17:14, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > On Oct 9, 2018, at 16:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Guido van Ross

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:13 PM Benjamin Peterson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, at 17:14, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2018, at 16:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > >> My feeling is that limiting it to strings is fine,

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, at 17:14, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 9, 2018, at 16:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >> My feeling is that limiting it to strings is fine, but checking those > >> strings for resembling identifiers is p

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:17 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 9, 2018, at 16:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >> My feeling is that limiting it to strings is fine, but checking those > >> strings for resembling identifiers is po

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Oct 9, 2018, at 16:21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> My feeling is that limiting it to strings is fine, but checking those >> strings for resembling identifiers is pointless and wasteful. > > Sure. The question is, do we have t

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > My feeling is that limiting it to strings is fine, but checking those > strings for resembling identifiers is pointless and wasteful. Sure. The question is, do we have to support uses where people intentionally smuggle non-identi

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 09:37:48AM -0700, Jeff Hardy wrote: > > When this behavior of set/getattr was discussed a decade or so ago, > > Guido said not to disable it, but I believe he said it should not be > > considered a language feature. There are other situations where CPython > > is 'looser'

Re: [Python-Dev] Python startup time

Hi, On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 14:02:02 -0700 Gregory Szorc wrote: > > Python 3.7 doesn't exhibit as much of a problem. But it is still there. > A brief audit of the importer code and call stacks confirms it is the > same problem - just less prevalent. Wall time execution of the test > harness from Py

Re: [Python-Dev] Python startup time

On 5/1/2018 8:26 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > On 7/19/2017 12:15 PM, Larry Hastings wrote: >> >> >> On 07/19/2017 05:59 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: >>> Mercurial startup time is already 45.8x slower than Git whereas tested >>> Mercurial runs on Python 2.7.12. Now try to sell Python 3 to Mercurial >>> d

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

My feeling is that limiting it to strings is fine, but checking those strings for resembling identifiers is pointless and wasteful. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:40 AM Jeff Hardy wrote: > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 3:45 PM Terry Reedy wrote: > > > > On 10/7/2018 1:34 PM, Chris Barker via Python-Dev wrot

Re: [Python-Dev] Arbitrary non-identifier string keys when using **kwargs

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 3:45 PM Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 10/7/2018 1:34 PM, Chris Barker via Python-Dev wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 3:01 PM Brett Cannon > > wrote: > > > > I'm also fine with saying that keys in **kwargs that are not proper > > identifiers is

Re: [Python-Dev] Use of objdump within ctypes _get_soname()

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:59 PM Ray Donnelly wrote: > Hi, > > We ran into an issue on the Anaconda Distribution recently where we > added libarchive-c to conda-build (so we can un-compress more source > archive formats than tarfile supports) and everything was good a few > hours, until it hit var

[Python-Dev] Use of objdump within ctypes _get_soname()

Hi, We ran into an issue on the Anaconda Distribution recently where we added libarchive-c to conda-build (so we can un-compress more source archive formats than tarfile supports) and everything was good a few hours, until it hit various CI systems where objdump is not installed. I was a bit surp