On 7/19/2017 10:05 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
P.S. I'll also note that we're not *actually* limited to resolving
such conflicts in public venues (even though I think that's a good
default habit for us to retain): as long as we report the outcome of
any mutual agreements about design priorities back
On 20 July 2017 at 06:02, Terry Reedy wrote:
> https://blog.sourced.tech/post/language_migrations/
> Waren Long analyzed several years of Github data for 22 top languages
> (excluding browser Javascript) with respect to language use and change of
> use, defined a 'centrality measure' based on the
:
On 19 July 2017 at 21:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> But the premise is wrong too. Those hypothetical people don't turn their
> Macs on in sequence, each person turning their computer on only after
> the previous person's Mac had finished booting. They effectively boot
> them up in parallel but o
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 04:11:24PM -0700, Chris Barker wrote:
> As long as we are talking anecdotes:
>
> If it could save a person’s life, could you find a way to save ten seconds
> off the boot time? If there were five million people using the Mac, and it
> took ten seconds extra to turn it on ev
As long as we are talking anecdotes:
If it could save a person’s life, could you find a way to save ten seconds
off the boot time? If there were five million people using the Mac, and it
took ten seconds extra to turn it on every day, that added up to three
hundred million or so hours per year peo
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:26:47 -0400
Ben Hoyt wrote:
> Yes, agreed that startup time matters for scripting. I was talking to
> someone on the Google Cloud SDK (CLI) team recently, and they said startup
> time is a big deal for them ... it's especially problematic for shell tab
> completion helpers,
https://blog.sourced.tech/post/language_migrations/
Waren Long analyzed several years of Github data for 22 top languages
(excluding browser Javascript) with respect to language use and change
of use, defined a 'centrality measure' based on the stationary
distribution of a markov chain model of
Yes, agreed that startup time matters for scripting. I was talking to
someone on the Google Cloud SDK (CLI) team recently, and they said startup
time is a big deal for them ... it's especially problematic for shell tab
completion helpers, because every time you press tab the shell has to load
your
On 07/19/2017 05:59 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
Mercurial startup time is already 45.8x slower than Git whereas tested
Mercurial runs on Python 2.7.12. Now try to sell Python 3 to Mercurial
developers, with a startup time 2x - 3x slower...
When Matt Mackall spoke at the Python Language Summit s
Exactly. This is how Python came to be in the first place. Benchmarks are
great, but don't underestimate creativity.
On Jul 19, 2017 8:15 AM, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:59:52 +0200
Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Twitter, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
>
>"The decision mak
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:59:52 +0200
Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Twitter, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
>
>"The decision making process on Python-dev is an anti-pattern,
> governed by anecdotal data and ambiguity over what problem is solved."
>
> https://twitter.com/raymondh/status/8870694
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:59:52 +0200
Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Twitter, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
>
>"The decision making process on Python-dev is an anti-pattern,
> governed by anecdotal data and ambiguity over what problem is solved."
>
> https://twitter.com/raymondh/status/8870694
2017-07-19 15:22 GMT+02:00 Oleg Broytman :
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 02:59:52PM +0200, Victor Stinner
> wrote:
>> "Python is very slow to start on Windows 7"
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29997274/python-is-very-slow-to-start-on-windows-7
>
>However hard you are going to optimize Pyt
On 19 July 2017 at 22:59, Victor Stinner wrote:
> == CPython core developers don't care? no, they do care ==
>
> Christian Heimes, Naoki INADA, Serhiy Storchaka, Yury Selivanov, me
> (Victor Stinner) and other core developers made multiple changes last
> years to reduce the number of imports at st
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 02:59:52PM +0200, Victor Stinner
wrote:
> "Python is very slow to start on Windows 7"
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29997274/python-is-very-slow-to-start-on-windows-7
However hard you are going to optimize Python you cannot fix those
"defenders", "guards" and "
Hi,
On Twitter, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
"The decision making process on Python-dev is an anti-pattern,
governed by anecdotal data and ambiguity over what problem is solved."
https://twitter.com/raymondh/status/887069454693158912
About "anecdotal data", I would like to discuss the Python st
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