Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 468 (Ordered kwargs)

2015-01-27 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Tue Jan 27 2015 at 2:13:08 PM Armin Rigo wrote: > Hi all, > > On 24 January 2015 at 11:50, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > > I would like to point out that we implemented rhettingers idea in PyPy > > that makes all the dicts ordered by default and we don't have any > > adverse performance effects

Re: [Python-Dev] Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?

2015-01-27 Thread Cyd Haselton
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote: > On 1/27/2015 8:04 AM, Cyd Haselton wrote: > > Noted. Will proceed with the 3.x releass. > > I had been excited you were working on Android Python until I realized you > were working on 2.x. I started with Python 3, and have only dabbled in

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 468 (Ordered kwargs)

2015-01-27 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi all, On 24 January 2015 at 11:50, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > I would like to point out that we implemented rhettingers idea in PyPy > that makes all the dicts ordered by default and we don't have any > adverse performance effects (in fact, there is quite significant > memory saving coming fro

Re: [Python-Dev] Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?

2015-01-27 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 1/27/2015 8:04 AM, Cyd Haselton wrote: Noted. Will proceed with the 3.x releass. I had been excited you were working on Android Python until I realized you were working on 2.x. I started with Python 3, and have only dabbled in 2.x for a couple projects that had unported dependency needs. One

Re: [Python-Dev] Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?

2015-01-27 Thread Cyd Haselton
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Cyd Haselton wrote: >> A quick FYI: The decision to build 2.7.8 (instead of 3.x) on Android >> was made after reading this article: >> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3 > > What in that document

Re: [Python-Dev] Undefined reference to dlopen (was: Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?)

2015-01-27 Thread Cyd Haselton
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Cyd Haselton wrote: >> Additionally it appears as though some modules were not built with the >> correct links to -lc -ldl, even though I added them as dependencies in >> Setup and setup.py, as well as in th

Re: [Python-Dev] Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?

2015-01-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Cyd Haselton wrote: > A quick FYI: The decision to build 2.7.8 (instead of 3.x) on Android > was made after reading this article: > https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3 What in that document convinced you to port to Python 2 instead of Python 3? That page

Re: [Python-Dev] Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?

2015-01-27 Thread Cyd Haselton
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Cyd Haselton wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Skip Montanaro > wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Cyd Haselton wrote: >>> Unfortunately, as I quickly found out, >>> Python's built-in help function requires tkinter, which requires >>> tcl/tk. >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?

2015-01-27 Thread Cyd Haselton
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Cyd Haselton wrote: >> Unfortunately, as I quickly found out, >> Python's built-in help function requires tkinter, which requires >> tcl/tk. > > I'm a little confused. Are you using some sort of freeze syst

Re: [Python-Dev] Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?

2015-01-27 Thread Cyd Haselton
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Zachary Ware wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Cyd Haselton wrote: >> Hello, >> I've finally managed to build a (somewhat) working Python port for the >> Android tablet I'm using. Unfortunately, as I quickly found out, >> Python's built-in help function

[Python-Dev] Undefined reference to dlopen (was: Pydoc Replacement for Python's help()?)

2015-01-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Cyd Haselton wrote: > Additionally it appears as though some modules were not built with the > correct links to -lc -ldl, even though I added them as dependencies in > Setup and setup.py, as well as in the appropriate env variables. > Importing string, tokenize, op